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Old 09-14-2021 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
I think this is the point you were trying to make.

If one leaves any cancer untreated, one won’t get natural immunity from it and 100% will die from it. If one leaves COVID untreated, 99% don’t die and one will receive natural immunity from it.
Actually the point I was trying to make was that your doctor knows how to interpret medical data and is telling yall to get it. You aren't as smart as him just because you read what you want to believe online. He's a DOCTOR. You're a pilot with a computer. I'm pretty sure I could google something that tells me I'm a ferret online if that's what I want to believe.
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Old 09-14-2021 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
Well.. condoms aren't 100% protective but that doesn't mean you say "screw it!" and raw dog a hooker...
In the 80s I can remember people saying that they didn't believe that condoms worked to prevent HIV because the virus was smaller than the holes in the condom.
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Old 09-14-2021 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Meat Fighter
It looks like a surge, but saying 50% of people in ICU have COVID doesn't tell us much. Are they there with another ailment and tested Covid positive as we know they test everyone in the hospital for Covid. How many are tested with PCR and have a false positive? What is the median age? Etc

By the way, what happened to the flu?

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It's such a simple answer that it's very shocking to hear yall constantly bring this up... Social Distancing, washing your hands and wearing masks mitigates the spread of the flu. In a normal flu season we don't do that. Also, there was a push from the government to get a flu shot last year in the anticipation of the Covid spike we got right in the middle of flu season. Spoiler Alert... This will now also be a light flu season. When Covid restrictions go away flu will look more normal.
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Old 09-14-2021 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827
1. You could cause me to get a breakthrough case. Getting very sick would be rare but possible. I'd miss some work that I don't want to miss and it will cost me some money.
2. I have children too young to vaccinate. You may cause a breakthrough case that I give to them or give it to them directly. They will probably not get very sick but they most certainly could. They will miss several weeks of school and that hurts their education.
3. You'll give it to other people and the hot potato will go around until it hits someone who can't vaccinate for a valid medical reason. It will kill some of them.
4. You drive up insurance costs and we're in the same risk group. So you drive up my insurance costs unless the company forces you to pay more.
5. You drive up government spending as they may end up paying for your hospitalization. Then you and I pay similar taxes.
6. You use up hospital resources that affect those of us who have actual emergencies. Right now we're out of Ambulances in Memphis thanks to the unvaccinated. If I get in a car wreck I may have to depend on them throwing me in a cop car, hoping they get me to the hospital in time, and then hoping there's a room available. Meanwhile a certain percentage of yall are on vents when you could've just gotten vaccinated.

You being unvaccinated absolutely does affect everyone else. Calling it a "Personal Decision" is disgusting when it literally kills other people.
#6 I’m not going to get into this debate but this is 100% not true. My friend is a Chief with MFD and the reason there are no ambulances is because they are ridiculously undermanned.
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Old 09-14-2021 | 01:44 PM
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#6 I’m not going to get into this debate but this is 100% not true. My friend is a Chief with MFD and the reason there are no ambulances is because they are ridiculously undermanned.
The undermanning is because people are getting sick of putting up with the BS. My neighbor is trying to get out of the ER because she's sick of the mad house that unvaccinated people are creating. She thinks they should be told to go home without treatment. My uncle is an ER doctor in Pensacola. He claims he has PTSD from this nonsense and agrees with her that we should start turning unvaccinated Covid patients away. Personally I agree with them. If you want to be an internet doctor then go be an internet doctor and treat yourself instead of abusing the system. Your body. Your choice. Your repercussions.
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Old 09-14-2021 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827
The undermanning is because people are getting sick of putting up with the BS. My neighbor is trying to get out of the ER because she's sick of the mad house that unvaccinated people are creating. She thinks they should be told to go home without treatment. My uncle is an ER doctor in Pensacola. He claims he has PTSD from this nonsense and agrees with her that we should start turning unvaccinated Covid patients away. Personally I agree with them. If you want to be an internet doctor then go be an internet doctor and treat yourself instead of abusing the system. Your body. Your choice. Your repercussions.
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Old 09-14-2021 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827
The undermanning is because people are getting sick of putting up with the BS. My neighbor is trying to get out of the ER because she's sick of the mad house that unvaccinated people are creating. She thinks they should be told to go home without treatment. My uncle is an ER doctor in Pensacola. He claims he has PTSD from this nonsense and agrees with her that we should start turning unvaccinated Covid patients away. Personally I agree with them. If you want to be an internet doctor then go be an internet doctor and treat yourself instead of abusing the system. Your body. Your choice. Your repercussions.
1. You don’t know if I am vaccinated or not
2. All I stated was a fact
3. Go yell at the clouds or some kids to get off your lawn
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Old 09-14-2021 | 03:36 PM
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The other reason cold and flu season was so mild was because the little germ incubators/spreaders had to stay out of school at home.

I love this game make an overly broad general claim "otherwise it would be front page news". Someone refutes said claim with a referenced source (front page of local state news source). Don't read cited resource and claim it isn't sufficient to rebutt initial claim even though it was on the landing page and directly contradicted the notion put forth that ICU resources are abundant and not in short supply.

Tell him what he's won Chuck!!
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Old 09-14-2021 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaman
The other reason cold and flu season was so mild was because the little germ incubators/spreaders had to stay out of school at home.

I love this game make an overly broad general claim "otherwise it would be front page news". Someone refutes said claim with a referenced source (front page of local state news source). Don't read cited resource and claim it isn't sufficient to rebutt initial claim even though it was on the landing page and directly contradicted the notion put forth that ICU resources are abundant and not in short supply.

Tell him what he's won Chuck!!
Yeah... I forgot about that too... We restricted some children from going to school. People worked at home... Some people skipped seeing their families over the holidays. It made 100% sense that the flu season was light.
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Old 09-14-2021 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaman
The other reason cold and flu season was so mild was because the little germ incubators/spreaders had to stay out of school at home.

I love this game make an overly broad general claim "otherwise it would be front page news". Someone refutes said claim with a referenced source (front page of local state news source). Don't read cited resource and claim it isn't sufficient to rebutt initial claim even though it was on the landing page and directly contradicted the notion put forth that ICU resources are abundant and not in short supply.

Tell him what he's won Chuck!!
There are a multitude of reasons for why we had mild flu season, and it likely had something to do with the CV-19 control measures (social distance/masks) were actually Influenza control measures originally (most national pandemic planning had an influenza baseline) which we assumed would useful for other airborne viral diseases. The 6' separation number is, IIRC a function of tuberculosis control. Additionally, travel from China globally was restricted, which would reduce the level of repeated infection of various areas outside of China.
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