Originally Posted by FXLAX

I think this is the point you were trying to make.

If one leaves any cancer untreated, one won’t get natural immunity from it and 100% will die from it. If one leaves COVID untreated, 99% don’t die and one will receive natural immunity from it.

Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan

Well.. condoms aren't 100% protective but that doesn't mean you say "screw it!" and raw dog a hooker...

Originally Posted by Meat Fighter

It looks like a surge, but saying 50% of people in ICU have COVID doesn't tell us much. Are they there with another ailment and tested Covid positive as we know they test everyone in the hospital for Covid. How many are tested with PCR and have a false positive? What is the median age? Etc

By the way, what happened to the flu?

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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827

1. You could cause me to get a breakthrough case. Getting very sick would be rare but possible. I'd miss some work that I don't want to miss and it will cost me some money.
2. I have children too young to vaccinate. You may cause a breakthrough case that I give to them or give it to them directly. They will probably not get very sick but they most certainly could. They will miss several weeks of school and that hurts their education.
3. You'll give it to other people and the hot potato will go around until it hits someone who can't vaccinate for a valid medical reason. It will kill some of them.
4. You drive up insurance costs and we're in the same risk group. So you drive up my insurance costs unless the company forces you to pay more.
5. You drive up government spending as they may end up paying for your hospitalization. Then you and I pay similar taxes.
6. You use up hospital resources that affect those of us who have actual emergencies. Right now we're out of Ambulances in Memphis thanks to the unvaccinated. If I get in a car wreck I may have to depend on them throwing me in a cop car, hoping they get me to the hospital in time, and then hoping there's a room available. Meanwhile a certain percentage of yall are on vents when you could've just gotten vaccinated.

You being unvaccinated absolutely does affect everyone else. Calling it a "Personal Decision" is disgusting when it literally kills other people.

Originally Posted by FrankTheTank

#6 I’m not going to get into this debate but this is 100% not true. My friend is a Chief with MFD and the reason there are no ambulances is because they are ridiculously undermanned.

Originally Posted by Globemaster2827

The undermanning is because people are getting sick of putting up with the BS. My neighbor is trying to get out of the ER because she's sick of the mad house that unvaccinated people are creating. She thinks they should be told to go home without treatment. My uncle is an ER doctor in Pensacola. He claims he has PTSD from this nonsense and agrees with her that we should start turning unvaccinated Covid patients away. Personally I agree with them. If you want to be an internet doctor then go be an internet doctor and treat yourself instead of abusing the system. Your body. Your choice. Your repercussions.

Originally Posted by Globemaster2827

The undermanning is because people are getting sick of putting up with the BS. My neighbor is trying to get out of the ER because she's sick of the mad house that unvaccinated people are creating. She thinks they should be told to go home without treatment. My uncle is an ER doctor in Pensacola. He claims he has PTSD from this nonsense and agrees with her that we should start turning unvaccinated Covid patients away. Personally I agree with them. If you want to be an internet doctor then go be an internet doctor and treat yourself instead of abusing the system. Your body. Your choice. Your repercussions.

Originally Posted by Shaman

The other reason cold and flu season was so mild was because the little germ incubators/spreaders had to stay out of school at home.

I love this game make an overly broad general claim "otherwise it would be front page news". Someone refutes said claim with a referenced source (front page of local state news source). Don't read cited resource and claim it isn't sufficient to rebutt initial claim even though it was on the landing page and directly contradicted the notion put forth that ICU resources are abundant and not in short supply.

Tell him what he's won Chuck!!

Originally Posted by Shaman

The other reason cold and flu season was so mild was because the little germ incubators/spreaders had to stay out of school at home.

I love this game make an overly broad general claim "otherwise it would be front page news". Someone refutes said claim with a referenced source (front page of local state news source). Don't read cited resource and claim it isn't sufficient to rebutt initial claim even though it was on the landing page and directly contradicted the notion put forth that ICU resources are abundant and not in short supply.

Tell him what he's won Chuck!!