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Old 09-14-2021, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by acecrackshot View Post
So, literally, you are arguing epidemiology and policy via Funk and Wagnalls?

I'm just sitting here wondering A) how you're going to vote on the contract and B) the next presidential election. But, really I already know.
First of all, it's Merriam-Webster, which is a dictionary, not an almanac.

Second, you clearly read none of the preceding context - it was to refute ColtF-15's assertion that inoculation and/or vaccination is a failure if anyone contracts any form of the disease.

Finally, I can tell you that I'll vote no on any TA that doesn't significantly improve our retirement plan in a measurable GUARANTEED way that is not market dependent. And, I know you already know this (because you said so), but in 25 years and three airlines, I have never voted yes to a contract - I'm up for a fight but nobody else ever seems to be.
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Old 09-14-2021, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827 View Post
The undermanning is because people are getting sick of putting up with the BS. My neighbor is trying to get out of the ER because she's sick of the mad house that unvaccinated people are creating. She thinks they should be told to go home without treatment. My uncle is an ER doctor in Pensacola. He claims he has PTSD from this nonsense and agrees with her that we should start turning unvaccinated Covid patients away. Personally I agree with them. If you want to be an internet doctor then go be an internet doctor and treat yourself instead of abusing the system. Your body. Your choice. Your repercussions.
Well they should not be MDs do they fell the same way about drug addicts, criminals, smokers, severely obese or aids patients?
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Old 09-15-2021, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827 View Post
The undermanning is because people are getting sick of putting up with the BS. My neighbor is trying to get out of the ER because she's sick of the mad house that unvaccinated people are creating. She thinks they should be told to go home without treatment. My uncle is an ER doctor in Pensacola. He claims he has PTSD from this nonsense and agrees with her that we should start turning unvaccinated Covid patients away. Personally I agree with them. If you want to be an internet doctor then go be an internet doctor and treat yourself instead of abusing the system. Your body. Your choice. Your repercussions.
1) The staffing challenges are caused by a multitude of reasons. OPTEMPO, pay, working conditions, vaccine mandates to name a few. Everyone has different reasons why they are unhappy with their job. Talking in absolutes doesn't contribute to any meaningful dialogue.

2) These anecdotes are extremely hypocritical. We have a privatized medical system in this country. If your family members are so "disgusted" with the unvaccinated then they have the option to seek employment elsewhere. But wait, it would really suck for them to have to choose between their paycheck and changing employers wouldn't it?

3) I agree with you, I think the majority of people would be better off educating themselves on their own healthcare. The majority of of skilled workers are pretty "average" in their career fields, pilots included, and this is no different in the medical industry. It makes sense that people screaming so loudly to trust the "medical professionals" would mindlessly believe the government has their best interest in mind as well.
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Old 09-15-2021, 08:57 AM
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Well they should not be MDs do they fell the same way about drug addicts, criminals, smokers, severely obese or aids patients?
Nope. Just people who are terrified of getting a shot that prevents our medical system from crashing like it currently is... If we did turn them away it'd solve the problem and I fail to see why anyone would take issue with it. After all, it's a "Personal Choice" that it won't affect the unvaccinated if they get it. Right? Yall have all done your "Research" that you don't need it? Right? So if you don't need it then you don't need the hospital when you get sick.
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Old 09-15-2021, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827 View Post
Nope. Just people who are terrified of getting a shot that prevents our medical system from crashing like it currently is... If we did turn them away it'd solve the problem and I fail to see why anyone would take issue with it. After all, it's a "Personal Choice" that it won't affect the unvaccinated if they get it. Right? Yall have all done your "Research" that you don't need it? Right? So if you don't need it then you don't need the hospital when you get sick.
Bingo.

Your freedom to make a poor decision should be accompanied by the requirement to live (or die) with the consequences.

Before the obligatory overweight, smoker, diabetic, helmetless motorcyclist etc. argument, I'd say the same thing if they were literally shutting down ER's - but that's not the reality in which we find ourselves.
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Old 09-15-2021, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Merle Haggard View Post
Bingo.

Your freedom to make a poor decision should be accompanied by the requirement to live (or die) with the consequences.

Before the obligatory overweight, smoker, diabetic, helmetless motorcyclist etc. argument, I'd say the same thing if they were literally shutting down ER's - but that's not the reality in which we find ourselves.
I'm not sure why freedom is such a bad thing? It is my decision whether I "live or die" and guess what, the chances of the latter happening are really really slim. Not sure where you are getting your stats on the "literal shutdown" of ERs but the biggest threat to the healthcare industry are vaccine mandates. Here is another article about staffing issues.

The only people "terrified" that I have met are the ones that are soaking up the fear inducing stories that the government/media keep pushing.
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Old 09-15-2021, 10:04 AM
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For those supporting turning away the unvaccinated from ERs, etc…. Do you support the use of alternative treatments if they request them? For this question I will bring up Ivermectin (the human kind), that it appears some doctors and pharmacists will not prescribe or fill. If it works or not is not the question.
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Old 09-15-2021, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ClncClarence View Post

PEOPLE WHO ARE VACCINATED ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS LIKELY TO ACQUIRE AND/OR TRANSMIT THE VIRUS, END UP IN THE HOSPITAL, OR DIE.

What part of that do you not understand?

I donít agree with mandates, but why canít you just admit that the vaccines are helpful?
Yep. To add to that, one out of every 500 people in the US has already died from Covid. Not sure how much else there is thatís important to know.
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Old 09-15-2021, 10:49 AM
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Yep. To add to that, one out of every 500 people in the US has already died from Covid. Not sure how much else there is thatís important to know.
Is this supposed to be scary? 800k die a year in the US alone from heart disease. Stop drinking sodies, where is all the fear mongering from that? Then again, just like big pharma, the soda industry is a multi-hundred billion dollar a year industry.
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Is this supposed to be scary? 800k die a year in the US alone from heart disease. Stop drinking sodies, where is all the fear mongering from that? Then again, just like big pharma, the soda industry is a multi-hundred billion dollar a year industry.
Heart disease is the #1 killer in this country, and now we have an additional disease that is coming in second. Great, I feel so much better now that youíve normalized it.
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