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Old 09-16-2021 | 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Stan446
What does morals have to do with it? Its a personal choice to get vaccinated.
This mandate discussion is being 100% framed from a moral argument. The mandate group says pilots should be fired unless they get the shot because the unvaxxed cause death and mayhem and all kinds of nasty things. Completely immoral selfish behavior and they don’t deserve a job flying (or anywhere else I guess) says them.

When their employer declines to require the vaccine, this mandate group will not resign in protest over the immoral behavior of their employer that allows the deadly unvaxxed to roam free in the name of profits says I. Neither will they resign to protect their families from the unvaxxed they fly with. The ultimate moral standard they demand from the unvaxxed is a one way street.

That is my guess, but let’s see how it ages. DR K
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Old 09-16-2021 | 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by DR K
This mandate discussion is being 100% framed from a moral argument. The mandate group says pilots should be fired unless they get the shot because the unvaxxed cause death and mayhem and all kinds of nasty things. Completely immoral selfish behavior and they don’t deserve a job flying (or anywhere else I guess) says them.

When their employer declines to require the vaccine, this mandate group will not resign in protest over the immoral behavior of their employer that allows the deadly unvaxxed to roam free in the name of profits says I. Neither will they resign to protect their families from the unvaxxed they fly with. The ultimate moral standard they demand from the unvaxxed is a one way street.

That is my guess, but let’s see how it ages. DR K
You are simply wrong, but I see how that can happen. The vaccine mandate is a public health question. It doesn't a have a single solitary thing to do with "morality" despite how much you repeat it. Your decision to accept or or reject the mandate isn't about "morality" either. It is about accepting or rejecting the validity of a public health crisis. So while you're thinking you're framing this clever argument about morally outraged pilots NOT quitting in the absence of a mandate you fail to understand that this post was started and feed by folks concerned about the possibility of a mandate. But I guess repeating things makes people feel good?!!

"Liberty" and "freedom" don't entitle you to do whatever you want whenever you want. That is indeed the mind of the selfish. Most children learn this at an early age, but it is pretty clear that some folks have still failed to grasp this. So they rant and rave like angry toddlers threatening violence and touting phantom conspiracies oppressing their "rights". Nothing will change their MINDS because this is about how they FEEL and what they WANT.
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Old 09-16-2021 | 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Shaman
You are simply wrong, but I see how that can happen. The vaccine mandate is a public health question. It doesn't a have a single solitary thing to do with "morality" despite how much you repeat it. Your decision to accept or or reject the mandate isn't about "morality" either. It is about accepting or rejecting the validity of a public health crisis. So while you're thinking you're framing this clever argument about morally outraged pilots NOT quitting in the absence of a mandate you fail to understand that this post was started and feed by folks concerned about the possibility of a mandate. But I guess repeating things makes people feel good?!!

"Liberty" and "freedom" don't entitle you to do whatever you want whenever you want. That is indeed the mind of the selfish. Most children learn this at an early age, but it is pretty clear that some folks have still failed to grasp this. So they rant and rave like angry toddlers threatening violence and touting phantom conspiracies oppressing their "rights". Nothing will change their MINDS because this is about how they FEEL and what they WANT.
Public health crisis = requirements for the greater GOOD = not doing HARM to your neighbor = moral argument.

To not get the vaccine is to do harm to others in your mind right? So it is immoral to remain unvaxxed.

We’ll see what happens when the deadly unvaxxed are allowed to work amongst you in the name of corporate profits. Then the toddlers you speak of will really reveal themselves.

There are companies like UA that are a better fit for those with disdain for the deadly unvaxxed. Give em a look see and put your morals where your mouth is, or are your morals for sale to the highest bidder too? DR K
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Old 09-16-2021 | 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by DR K
Public health crisis = requirements for the greater GOOD = not doing HARM to your neighbor = moral argument.

To not get the vaccine is to do harm to others in your mind right? So it is immoral to remain unvaxxed.

We’ll see what happens when the deadly unvaxxed are allowed to work amongst you in the name of corporate profits. Then the toddlers you speak of will really reveal themselves.

There are companies like UA that are a better fit for those with disdain for the deadly unvaxxed. Give em a look see and put your morals where your mouth is, or are your morals for sale to the highest bidder too? DR K
It’s first and foremost a financial argument. If vaccination is viewed as the way to save health care dollars and return the economy to “normal” then vaccination will ultimately rule the day. It’s may be moral or political to Joe Six-Pack, but it’s not at Hack’s Cross, Willis Tower, Wall Street, or anywhere else where the decisions are made.
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Old 09-16-2021 | 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by DR K
Public health crisis = requirements for the greater GOOD = not doing HARM to your neighbor = moral argument.

To not get the vaccine is to do harm to others in your mind right? So it is immoral to remain unvaxxed.

We’ll see what happens when the deadly unvaxxed are allowed to work amongst you in the name of corporate profits. Then the toddlers you speak of will really reveal themselves.

There are companies like UA that are a better fit for those with disdain for the deadly unvaxxed. Give em a look see and put your morals where your mouth is, or are your morals for sale to the highest bidder too? DR K
Who's to say I have any morals lol,? As a general practice I can usually be found in the basement of pizza parlors sacrificing babies to maintain my youthful appearance. Almost as often I spend a good bit of time trying to force patriots to use unisex bathrooms and rigging election outcomes using Israeli space lasers.

But after reading your incredibly persuasive argument I've decided I am morally outraged!! You've done it man! If FedEx can't find their way to imposing a vaccine mandate on their workforce I'm out! Working on my UAL application now. If I'm senior to you good job you may be moving up a number soon.
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Old 09-16-2021 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 121guy
OSHA does not have jurisdiction over flight crews.
hey that’s right I forgot, thats why they had no jurisdiction over the cockpit cleanliness issue! But they do to go up and down the stairs!
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Old 09-16-2021 | 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by 121guy
OSHA does not have jurisdiction over flight crews.
Didn’t the company say OSHA doesn’t have jurisdiction in the airplane? I thought that was how they got around removing the air filters in the Bus, maybe some of the other fleets too?
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Old 09-16-2021 | 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Shaman
You are simply wrong, but I see how that can happen. The vaccine mandate is a public health question. It doesn't a have a single solitary thing to do with "morality" despite how much you repeat it. Your decision to accept or or reject the mandate isn't about "morality" either. It is about accepting or rejecting the validity of a public health crisis. So while you're thinking you're framing this clever argument about morally outraged pilots NOT quitting in the absence of a mandate you fail to understand that this post was started and feed by folks concerned about the possibility of a mandate. But I guess repeating things makes people feel good?!!

"Liberty" and "freedom" don't entitle you to do whatever you want whenever you want. That is indeed the mind of the selfish. Most children learn this at an early age, but it is pretty clear that some folks have still failed to grasp this. So they rant and rave like angry toddlers threatening violence and touting phantom conspiracies oppressing their "rights". Nothing will change their MINDS because this is about how they FEEL and what they WANT.
Teen pregnancy is a public health crisis. How about mandatory birth control for unwed women?
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Old 09-16-2021 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Shaman
You are simply wrong, but I see how that can happen. The vaccine mandate is a public health question. It doesn't a have a single solitary thing to do with "morality" despite how much you repeat it. Your decision to accept or or reject the mandate isn't about "morality" either. It is about accepting or rejecting the validity of a public health crisis. So while you're thinking you're framing this clever argument about morally outraged pilots NOT quitting in the absence of a mandate you fail to understand that this post was started and feed by folks concerned about the possibility of a mandate. But I guess repeating things makes people feel good?!!

"Liberty" and "freedom" don't entitle you to do whatever you want whenever you want. That is indeed the mind of the selfish. Most children learn this at an early age, but it is pretty clear that some folks have still failed to grasp this. So they rant and rave like angry toddlers threatening violence and touting phantom conspiracies oppressing their "rights". Nothing will change their MINDS because this is about how they FEEL and what they WANT.
Well, the political party that loves these mandates (in a complete shift from 7 months ago) is also the political party that supports "my body, my choice." So, which is it?
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Old 09-16-2021 | 07:08 AM
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Blah blah blah. Another worthless vaccine/covid thread. Mods- “shut it down, shut it down, shut it down!” Come on all, join me on the chant. Or keep screaming past each other. Babies.
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