Vaccine Stance
09-23-2021, 04:46 PM
#351
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Originally Posted by bitwiser;[url=tel:3299465
3299465[/url]]Sounds good. That is, so long as we also make sure that anyone who smokes pays $4000/month, anyone overweight pays $5000/month, and anyone who ever rides a motorcycle pays $6000/month. I think I might like this wonderful new authoritarian world we're creating!
Apparently the free market is authoritarian. Oh wait, if you don’t want to pay more you can “choose” to quit smoking or you can “choose” to move or you can “choose” to get a shot. I guess it’s all about actuaries measuring risk and people making choices…also known as authoritarianism.
Wait a second, maybe freedom of choice is only a good thing when there aren’t financial consequences that I agree with.
09-23-2021, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Fr8Master
Insurance should be risk based. You live in a hurricane corridor you should pay more for home insurance. You smoke you pay more for life insurance and you should pay more for health insurance.
Apparently the free market is authoritarian. Oh wait, if you don’t want to pay more you can “choose” to quit smoking or you can “choose” to move or you can “choose” to get a shot. I guess it’s all about actuaries measuring risk and people making choices…also known as authoritarianism.
Wait a second, maybe freedom of choice is only a good thing when there aren’t financial consequences that I agree with.
Apparently the free market is authoritarian. Oh wait, if you don’t want to pay more you can “choose” to quit smoking or you can “choose” to move or you can “choose” to get a shot. I guess it’s all about actuaries measuring risk and people making choices…also known as authoritarianism.
Wait a second, maybe freedom of choice is only a good thing when there aren’t financial consequences that I agree with.
09-23-2021, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bitwiser;[url=tel:3299511
3299511[/url]]Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. If we're worried about our health care premiums rising because of those anti vaxxers, I think it's about time we force everyone else making all these bad decisions to pay their fair share!
09-23-2021, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by bitwiser
Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. If we're worried about our health care premiums rising because of those anti vaxxers, I think it's about time we force everyone else making all these bad decisions to pay their fair share!
Define bad decisions.
09-23-2021, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MEMA300
Define bad decisions.
09-23-2021, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by bitwiser
Anything that causes health care premiums to rise, apparently? If we want to keep this idea going, we should also incorporate how many miles each individual drives per year, how much alcohol they drink, and whether they occasionally participate in risky activities like skiing or scuba diving. The more I think about this the more I love it! It's all in the name of keeping our costs down, no matter the... well... cost.
09-23-2021, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaman
I didn't share that personal story as a "cudgel to shame others for making choices......." The point, which a few of you missed completely, was that the data points you dismiss as irrelevant actually represent real people dealing with real hardships. To further drive home your missing of the point you engage in false equivalencies and mouthing "All family deaths are tragic irrespective of cause", sigh.
But your vaccine resistance isn't about bad data, vaccine efficacy, faulty tests, or a misunderstanding of mRNA. It is about your need to put yourself before anything and everyone. #MEFIRST. You denigrate and defame decent people who's primary concern is the health and safety of others, because it makes you feel some sense of contrarian enlightenment. You can see the truth and the rest of us are all just uninformed lemmings unable to discern fact from fiction. That makes you feel good. It makes you feel more superior. Because all of existence is there to either bolster you or take something from you. Every situation is either flattery or threat. Every person you encounter is either Friend or Foe.
In this binary world, No reasoned argument will have any impact. No data points are convincing.
If you don't want to get vaccinated no one is gonna force you to. But like it tell my kids free will is a MF and that choice may limit others.
But your vaccine resistance isn't about bad data, vaccine efficacy, faulty tests, or a misunderstanding of mRNA. It is about your need to put yourself before anything and everyone. #MEFIRST. You denigrate and defame decent people who's primary concern is the health and safety of others, because it makes you feel some sense of contrarian enlightenment. You can see the truth and the rest of us are all just uninformed lemmings unable to discern fact from fiction. That makes you feel good. It makes you feel more superior. Because all of existence is there to either bolster you or take something from you. Every situation is either flattery or threat. Every person you encounter is either Friend or Foe.
In this binary world, No reasoned argument will have any impact. No data points are convincing.
If you don't want to get vaccinated no one is gonna force you to. But like it tell my kids free will is a MF and that choice may limit others.
And I am terribly sorry about your families loss.
09-23-2021, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bitwiser;[url=tel:3299596
3299596[/url]]Anything that causes health care premiums to rise, apparently? If we want to keep this idea going, we should also incorporate how many miles each individual drives per year, how much alcohol they drink, and whether they occasionally participate in risky activities like skiing or scuba diving. The more I think about this the more I love it! It's all in the name of keeping our costs down, no matter the... well... cost.
09-24-2021, 04:35 AM
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[QUOTE=busdriver12;3299624]Perfectly said. It’s extraordinary to me how proud people are of their complete selfishness, wearing it like a badge of honor, spouting out about freedom, so many excuses and rationalizations. I joined the military with a commitment to do what was needed to protect the country, to sacrifice my life if needed, I can’t imagine making such a fuss about a life-saving vaccine already given to billions.
It is experimental gene therapy. Period! Every day more info comes out on how the numbers were exaggerated to cause mass fear. Now the FDA just granted the new FDA-approved vaccines protection from lawsuits. This has never happened before. When a drug is approved, it is deemed safe and therefore it is open to litigation if someone suffers a harmful side effect. Not this drug. Get the shot and develop one of the many FAA grounding side effects, suck it up. Come on save the world, join the experiment and save the .05% that are at risk.
Again, please explain to me how the non-vaxed are killing the vaxed? It is more truthful to say that the variants are coming from the vaccinated. The unvaxed get the virus and their immune system either kills it, or they die. The vaccinated get the virus and their immune system was trained to ignore the symptoms and stop the body's response to the virus. The virus is then free to grow and mutate. Come on guys, you got a shot and you don't even understand how it works. That is why the vaccinated still must wear a mask, and physically distance, and all the other protocols. Hospitals in my state are still laying off workers due to lack of need.
It is experimental gene therapy. Period! Every day more info comes out on how the numbers were exaggerated to cause mass fear. Now the FDA just granted the new FDA-approved vaccines protection from lawsuits. This has never happened before. When a drug is approved, it is deemed safe and therefore it is open to litigation if someone suffers a harmful side effect. Not this drug. Get the shot and develop one of the many FAA grounding side effects, suck it up. Come on save the world, join the experiment and save the .05% that are at risk.
Again, please explain to me how the non-vaxed are killing the vaxed? It is more truthful to say that the variants are coming from the vaccinated. The unvaxed get the virus and their immune system either kills it, or they die. The vaccinated get the virus and their immune system was trained to ignore the symptoms and stop the body's response to the virus. The virus is then free to grow and mutate. Come on guys, you got a shot and you don't even understand how it works. That is why the vaccinated still must wear a mask, and physically distance, and all the other protocols. Hospitals in my state are still laying off workers due to lack of need.
09-24-2021, 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by bitwiser
Sounds good. That is, so long as we also make sure that anyone who smokes pays $4000/month, anyone overweight pays $5000/month, and anyone who ever rides a motorcycle pays $6000/month. I think I might like this wonderful new authoritarian world we're creating!
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