Vaccine Stance
09-24-2021 | 01:14 PM
#371
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An unvaccinated person puts at risk those who cannot be vaccinated, like children and those with health conditions that preclude vaccination. Helpless elderly people whose caretakers decided not to vaccinate them. People who have weak immune systems that the vaccine did not work well for, people whose immunity from the vaccine has waned over time. People who need to go to the hospital or ICU for something else, who have to compete for care, or get substandard care. Those of us who want this Covid mess to be over and done with, not prolonged for years.
I’m not supportive of government mandated vaccines, especially while the paranoia that causes pandemic behavior continues to repeat itself.
I’m not supportive of government mandated vaccines, especially while the paranoia that causes pandemic behavior continues to repeat itself.
09-24-2021 | 04:19 PM
#373
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An unvaccinated person puts at risk those who cannot be vaccinated, like children and those with health conditions that preclude vaccination. Helpless elderly people whose caretakers decided not to vaccinate them. People who have weak immune systems that the vaccine did not work well for, people whose immunity from the vaccine has waned over time. People who need to go to the hospital or ICU for something else, who have to compete for care, or get substandard care. Those of us who want this Covid mess to be over and done with, not prolonged for years.
I’m not supportive of government mandated vaccines, especially while the paranoia that causes pandemic behavior continues to repeat itself.
I’m not supportive of government mandated vaccines, especially while the paranoia that causes pandemic behavior continues to repeat itself.
How many people cannot be vaccinated? How much risk is there to children under 12? How many convalescent people have caretakers who didn’t vaccinate them? How many people with weak immune systems the vaccine did not work well for them? How many people with weak immune systems whose vaccine has waned over time? How many people did not get care in hospitals due to patients there FROM covid?
We are ignoring those who have tested positive and have antibodies and therefore their immune system has the memory to create them after they have been shed. And let’s not forget that out of the entire 18 months, this has killed 0.2% of the entire population of the country.
I agree with your last statement about being against mandates. But my reasons are because of the answers to my questions above. This is not the thing to sacrifice some of everyone’s liberty to fight something that kills a fraction of one percent of all people in this long amount of time, especially when there are mitigating factors that can be used instead in order to protect the small minority of the people you listed.
09-24-2021 | 04:48 PM
#374
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So, no one answered my questions from before, apparently because they were too complicated or required a modicum of intelligence wrapped up in simple motivation.
Here is an easy one, Why is "Group" health insurance called group health insurance vs individual health insurance?
Which one would you like? It's a binary choice. Just like what the US Women's Soccer Team faced. By definition, you don't get to cherry pick.
Imagine a company that only offered individual health policies. So, you are uber healthy former military guy, who doesn't smoke, drink, isn't overweight, your whole family eats super healthy, exercises, etc etc. Everyone in your family gets all the vaccinations because well, Science!, at least as you understand it. You pay super low premiums because, actuarily, you are low risk. Then, your son develops heart issues within days of the Covid vaccine. Requiring intensive hospitalization. See, recent study from Canada, 1 out of 1000. Then, your lovely, loving and loved wife develops an autoimmune disease, such as Transverse Myelitis (England) or Guillain Barre (USA). More hospitalization, or maybe she develops a brain tumor not associated with any vaccine, nothing super bad, but a good sized meningioma. (high likely hood of recurrence requiring treatment). Post resection surgery follow up, it is discovered she has a mid cerebral aneurysm. Ah snap, now you and your loved ones are uninsurable. Sorry, too bad, too sad. Suck it up buttercup. It was your freedom to choose and to support the idea of risked base health insurance.
Here is an easy one, Why is "Group" health insurance called group health insurance vs individual health insurance?
Which one would you like? It's a binary choice. Just like what the US Women's Soccer Team faced. By definition, you don't get to cherry pick.
Imagine a company that only offered individual health policies. So, you are uber healthy former military guy, who doesn't smoke, drink, isn't overweight, your whole family eats super healthy, exercises, etc etc. Everyone in your family gets all the vaccinations because well, Science!, at least as you understand it. You pay super low premiums because, actuarily, you are low risk. Then, your son develops heart issues within days of the Covid vaccine. Requiring intensive hospitalization. See, recent study from Canada, 1 out of 1000. Then, your lovely, loving and loved wife develops an autoimmune disease, such as Transverse Myelitis (England) or Guillain Barre (USA). More hospitalization, or maybe she develops a brain tumor not associated with any vaccine, nothing super bad, but a good sized meningioma. (high likely hood of recurrence requiring treatment). Post resection surgery follow up, it is discovered she has a mid cerebral aneurysm. Ah snap, now you and your loved ones are uninsurable. Sorry, too bad, too sad. Suck it up buttercup. It was your freedom to choose and to support the idea of risked base health insurance.
09-24-2021 | 04:51 PM
#375
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I think a lot of people live in mid town and down town!
09-24-2021 | 04:58 PM
#376
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How many people cannot be vaccinated? How much risk is there to children under 12? How many convalescent people have caretakers who didn’t vaccinate them? How many people with weak immune systems the vaccine did not work well for them? How many people with weak immune systems whose vaccine has waned over time? How many people did not get care in hospitals due to patients there FROM covid?
We are ignoring those who have tested positive and have antibodies and therefore their immune system has the memory to create them after they have been shed. And let’s not forget that out of the entire 18 months, this has killed 0.2% of the entire population of the country.
I agree with your last statement about being against mandates. But my reasons are because of the answers to my questions above. This is not the thing to sacrifice some of everyone’s liberty to fight something that kills a fraction of one percent of all people in this long amount of time, especially when there are mitigating factors that can be used instead in order to protect the small minority of the people you listed.
We are ignoring those who have tested positive and have antibodies and therefore their immune system has the memory to create them after they have been shed. And let’s not forget that out of the entire 18 months, this has killed 0.2% of the entire population of the country.
I agree with your last statement about being against mandates. But my reasons are because of the answers to my questions above. This is not the thing to sacrifice some of everyone’s liberty to fight something that kills a fraction of one percent of all people in this long amount of time, especially when there are mitigating factors that can be used instead in order to protect the small minority of the people you listed.
0.2% of people killed in this country from a new disease, along with all the people suffering from long haul effects, is a large number. Especially since not everyone has gotten Covid, not everyone will, and it's not done with us yet. What is it, the #3 cause of death, behind heart disease and over 100 types of cancer all added together? And that's with all the measures we've taken. The social distancing, masking, vaccinations, staying at home, improving airflow, pouring billions of dollars into care and research. Can you imagine if we just pretended it was like the flu, like some people do, took no precautions, did no research, and pretended as if it didn't exist? How many more millions would be dead or suffering long term effects?
Even the former president, with a full load of antibodies from a serious case of Covid and the additional monoclonal antibody infusions, got himself vaccinated at the first possible opportunity.
09-24-2021 | 05:39 PM
#377
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More like Flaccidly Cry.
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I can’t wait to see how sorry you are you didn’t get the vaccine in 15 years when the other half of us have super powers. We will be off flying around and turning into the hulk and what not. While you sit there and cry into your cereal.
I can’t wait to see how sorry you are you didn’t get the vaccine in 15 years when the other half of us have super powers. We will be off flying around and turning into the hulk and what not. While you sit there and cry into your cereal.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...CC33602EBA6210
09-24-2021 | 06:42 PM
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Well if you read the info on the vaccine, vaccinated people put folks at a much higher risk. I'll say it again, the vaccine does not protect you from getting it or from passing it on. Even Herr Fauci has said this frequently. It's why you vaccinated folks need to wear a mask too. They call it viral load and viral shedding. It has been repeatedly proven that the vaccinated shed the virus at up to 13 times more than the unvaccinated. Come on folks, this stuff is reported everywhere. A simple google search will show you the studies. Just because CNN or YouTube won't show them isn't an excuse for ignorance.
Here, I’ll give you a couple.
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...nfections.aspx
This study has demonstrated that SARS-CoV-2 infected vaccinated individuals are less likely to engage in significant viral shedding, and when they do, the viral particles appear to be less infectious.
In this analysis of a real-world dataset of positive severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) test results after inoculation with the BNT162b2 messenger RNA vaccine, we found that the viral load was substantially reduced for infections occurring 12–37 d after the first dose of vaccine.
Studies show that even though vaccinated people can get infected, their viral loads (the amount of virus present), as well as the duration of the viral shedding (how long viral particles are released during daily activities) are much lower compared to individuals without the vaccine. In that regard, the vaccination itself reduces the transmission rate.
09-24-2021 | 07:04 PM
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Good god where do you come up with this nonsense. I swear you people have legit mental illness. I would ask you for a source but we both know that you pulled it from your rear end just like everything else you post here.
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09-24-2021 | 07:12 PM
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So, no one answered my questions from before, apparently because they were too complicated or required a modicum of intelligence wrapped up in simple motivation.
Here is an easy one, Why is "Group" health insurance called group health insurance vs individual health insurance?
Which one would you like? It's a binary choice. Just like what the US Women's Soccer Team faced. By definition, you don't get to cherry pick.
Imagine a company that only offered individual health policies. So, you are uber healthy former military guy, who doesn't smoke, drink, isn't overweight, your whole family eats super healthy, exercises, etc etc. Everyone in your family gets all the vaccinations because well, Science!, at least as you understand it. You pay super low premiums because, actuarily, you are low risk. Then, your son develops heart issues within days of the Covid vaccine. Requiring intensive hospitalization. See, recent study from Canada, 1 out of 1000. Then, your lovely, loving and loved wife develops an autoimmune disease, such as Transverse Myelitis (England) or Guillain Barre (USA). More hospitalization, or maybe she develops a brain tumor not associated with any vaccine, nothing super bad, but a good sized meningioma. (high likely hood of recurrence requiring treatment). Post resection surgery follow up, it is discovered she has a mid cerebral aneurysm. Ah snap, now you and your loved ones are uninsurable. Sorry, too bad, too sad. Suck it up buttercup. It was your freedom to choose and to support the idea of risked base health insurance.
Here is an easy one, Why is "Group" health insurance called group health insurance vs individual health insurance?
Which one would you like? It's a binary choice. Just like what the US Women's Soccer Team faced. By definition, you don't get to cherry pick.
Imagine a company that only offered individual health policies. So, you are uber healthy former military guy, who doesn't smoke, drink, isn't overweight, your whole family eats super healthy, exercises, etc etc. Everyone in your family gets all the vaccinations because well, Science!, at least as you understand it. You pay super low premiums because, actuarily, you are low risk. Then, your son develops heart issues within days of the Covid vaccine. Requiring intensive hospitalization. See, recent study from Canada, 1 out of 1000. Then, your lovely, loving and loved wife develops an autoimmune disease, such as Transverse Myelitis (England) or Guillain Barre (USA). More hospitalization, or maybe she develops a brain tumor not associated with any vaccine, nothing super bad, but a good sized meningioma. (high likely hood of recurrence requiring treatment). Post resection surgery follow up, it is discovered she has a mid cerebral aneurysm. Ah snap, now you and your loved ones are uninsurable. Sorry, too bad, too sad. Suck it up buttercup. It was your freedom to choose and to support the idea of risked base health insurance.
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