Vaccine Stance
09-14-2021, 08:43 AM
#221
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Originally Posted by ColtF15
if we are looking at ‘Nuance’: by definition calling it a vaccine implies inoculation and thus prevents you from getting it. Polio vaccine. Flu shot. Labeling it a vaccine is criminally false at worst and misleading at best.
Ok. 8 months instead of 5. But booster still recommended by the ‘expert’ trusted to save the world.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pol...dations-507210
I’m still military and have to get it. And of all the things uncle sam has put in my body I’m sure this is on the low end of the threat ladder. I got the shots. Yet there is no benefit. Still gotta mask up. Still can get infected. Unlike anthrax and small pox. Those are covered. Because they are vaccines.
Ok. 8 months instead of 5. But booster still recommended by the ‘expert’ trusted to save the world.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pol...dations-507210
I’m still military and have to get it. And of all the things uncle sam has put in my body I’m sure this is on the low end of the threat ladder. I got the shots. Yet there is no benefit. Still gotta mask up. Still can get infected. Unlike anthrax and small pox. Those are covered. Because they are vaccines.
Definition of inoculation
1 : the act or process or an instance of inoculating especially : the introduction of a pathogen or antigen into a living organism to stimulate the production of antibodies
I guess I missed the part where it goes on in invisible font to say "guaranteeing that no infection will ever occur again for the duration of ones life"
09-14-2021, 10:49 AM
#222
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[QUOTE=Shaman;3295013]
no vaccine prevents transmission. That's not what vaccines do man. This is basic stuff. Vaccines are designed to prompt an immune response. The efficacy of the vaccine indicates how effective the immune response, but viruses can evolve and mutate. Doesn't mean vaccine isn't working.
It's not a conspiracy the bug decided it wants to fight so we have to change tactics. For goodness sakes this isn't that hard to grasp without creating ideological boogeyman and assertions of mind control.
Again, let's simplify this.
You stated that vaccines, to include the COVID vaccine, aren't intended to prevent transmission.
1. So then how does the COVID-19 vaccine stop transmission?
2. If it doesn't prevent transmission why should everyone be mandated to receive it to..... wait for it.... "protect others?"
The questions answer themselves, but I keep hearing how people choosing not to be vaxxed are continuing the pandemic.
https://youtu.be/t8Xuz9wPLJE
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Originally Posted by Meat Fighter
no vaccine prevents transmission. That's not what vaccines do man. This is basic stuff. Vaccines are designed to prompt an immune response. The efficacy of the vaccine indicates how effective the immune response, but viruses can evolve and mutate. Doesn't mean vaccine isn't working.
It's not a conspiracy the bug decided it wants to fight so we have to change tactics. For goodness sakes this isn't that hard to grasp without creating ideological boogeyman and assertions of mind control.
You stated that vaccines, to include the COVID vaccine, aren't intended to prevent transmission.
1. So then how does the COVID-19 vaccine stop transmission?
2. If it doesn't prevent transmission why should everyone be mandated to receive it to..... wait for it.... "protect others?"
The questions answer themselves, but I keep hearing how people choosing not to be vaxxed are continuing the pandemic.
https://youtu.be/t8Xuz9wPLJE
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09-14-2021, 11:17 AM
#223
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Originally Posted by Merle Haggard
Definition of inoculation
1 : the act or process or an instance of inoculating especially : the introduction of a pathogen or antigen into a living organism to stimulate the production of antibodies
I guess I missed the part where it goes on in invisible font to say "guaranteeing that no infection will ever occur again for the duration of ones life"
1 : the act or process or an instance of inoculating especially : the introduction of a pathogen or antigen into a living organism to stimulate the production of antibodies
I guess I missed the part where it goes on in invisible font to say "guaranteeing that no infection will ever occur again for the duration of ones life"
I'm just sitting here wondering A) how you're going to vote on the contract and B) the next presidential election. But, really I already know.
09-14-2021, 11:26 AM
#224
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Posts: 261
[QUOTE=Shaman;3295013]
no vaccine prevents transmission. That's not what vaccines do man. This is basic stuff. Vaccines are designed to prompt an immune response. The efficacy of the vaccine indicates how effective the immune response, but viruses can evolve and mutate. Doesn't mean vaccine isn't working.
It's not a conspiracy the bug decided it wants to fight so we have to change tactics. For goodness sakes this isn't that hard to grasp without creating ideological boogeyman and assertions of mind control.
Your President said 7 months ago that "mandates weren't necessary."
Why the shift?
Originally Posted by Meat Fighter
no vaccine prevents transmission. That's not what vaccines do man. This is basic stuff. Vaccines are designed to prompt an immune response. The efficacy of the vaccine indicates how effective the immune response, but viruses can evolve and mutate. Doesn't mean vaccine isn't working.
It's not a conspiracy the bug decided it wants to fight so we have to change tactics. For goodness sakes this isn't that hard to grasp without creating ideological boogeyman and assertions of mind control.
Why the shift?
09-14-2021, 11:32 AM
#225
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Posts: 2,099
Vaccine Stance
Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot
Because it's so out of control now and they know the south will never be responsible enough to lock things down to help contain this.
Even at the height of the pandemic, there was no lack of resources to take care of those who were sick. All of the temporary facilities and hospital ships went mostly unused. And there are very few of them today being used. There are not mass postponements of medical procedures like there were at the height. It’s not out of control whatsoever. Look at the charts, the curve has been flattened and continues to be relatively flat and below the resources line. If there truly was rationing of ICU beds, it would be front pages news.
09-14-2021, 12:45 PM
#226
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
Even at the height of the pandemic, there was no lack of resources to take care of those who were sick. All of the temporary facilities and hospital ships went mostly unused. And there are very few of them today being used. There are not mass postponements of medical procedures like there were at the height. It’s not out of control whatsoever. Look at the charts, the curve has been flattened and continues to be relatively flat and below the resources line. If there truly was rationing of ICU beds, it would be front pages news.
https://www.al.com/news/2021/09/24-pregnant-covid-patients-hospitalized-in-alabama-50-of-icu-patients-have-covid.html
09-14-2021, 12:54 PM
#227
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Originally Posted by Shaman
By the way, what happened to the flu?
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09-14-2021, 01:01 PM
#228
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Originally Posted by Meat Fighter
Are they there with another ailment and tested Covid positive as we know they test everyone in the hospital for Covid.
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09-14-2021, 01:21 PM
#230
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Originally Posted by urinmyseat
So if you're vaccinated, you should be safe, correct? What does it matter if I'm not vaccinated? If you're vaccinated and you are not safe from the unvaccinated, what was the point of getting vaccinated? I'm vaccinated against polio, and it doesn't matter to me if you aren't. They stopped vaccinating Americans for polio in 2000, out of fear of vaccine-derived outbreaks, think "Delta variant" of polio. The point being, if you are vaccinated, what do you care if others aren't? We don't check those that come across the border illegally if they are vaccinated for or carry polio, nor covid, so the risk must be low.
Not all the ATP's on here had flying as a first career. There may be a few that studied a little biology in previous times. As pilots, we are expected to interpret all the data presented to us, before we make a decision. Then we use our experience, knowledge of the rules, and that rarest of commodities, common sense to make a decision...except for covid...don't look at anything, shut up, and color.
Not all the ATP's on here had flying as a first career. There may be a few that studied a little biology in previous times. As pilots, we are expected to interpret all the data presented to us, before we make a decision. Then we use our experience, knowledge of the rules, and that rarest of commodities, common sense to make a decision...except for covid...don't look at anything, shut up, and color.
2. I have children too young to vaccinate. You may cause a breakthrough case that I give to them or give it to them directly. They will probably not get very sick but they most certainly could. They will miss several weeks of school and that hurts their education.
3. You'll give it to other people and the hot potato will go around until it hits someone who can't vaccinate for a valid medical reason. It will kill some of them.
4. You drive up insurance costs and we're in the same risk group. So you drive up my insurance costs unless the company forces you to pay more.
5. You drive up government spending as they may end up paying for your hospitalization. Then you and I pay similar taxes.
6. You use up hospital resources that affect those of us who have actual emergencies. Right now we're out of Ambulances in Memphis thanks to the unvaccinated. If I get in a car wreck I may have to depend on them throwing me in a cop car, hoping they get me to the hospital in time, and then hoping there's a room available. Meanwhile a certain percentage of yall are on vents when you could've just gotten vaccinated.
You being unvaccinated absolutely does affect everyone else. Calling it a "Personal Decision" is disgusting when it literally kills other people.
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