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Old 01-31-2023, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by FXLAX View Post
Just connect the dots for me. Here is what you said that I'm trying to understand, "Serving ALPA is about ALPA's best interest. Pay rates are duesable. Your QOL is not. I am going to bet we will again give up QOL for money, Just like '15. Anyone here like working harder for the same credit hours?"


Do the MEC reps serve ALPA or the pilots' best interest? If it's ALPA, how does duesable income benefit our mec reps, as you insinuate? The reps are all insured by ALPA, so why would they worry about a handful of line pilots suing ALPA? Being sued is a foregone conclusion anyway. So why would a rep care if they are simply following their duty of fair representation, which a TA with membership ratification does in its most simplistic way.

To be honest, to me it sounds like you are taking this personal or are too close to it to see that you may just be a hammer that sees everything this MEC says or does as a nail.
Didn't he run for a union position and lose? Numerous times maybe?I thought his username looked familiar. A bud I was having drinks with yesterday pointed out he (Brian H) had run numerous times. Dots are connected now.

Its all about his hurt feelings. Now he intends to spread BS drivel on social media making false claims to devalue our power as a union. Management is probably paying him to do it since he is on the outside looking in now.
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Old 01-31-2023, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay View Post
Didn't he run for a union position and lose? Numerous times maybe?I thought his username looked familiar. A bud I was having drinks with yesterday pointed out he (Brian H) had run numerous times. Dots are connected now.

Its all about his hurt feelings. Now he intends to spread BS drivel on social media making false claims to devalue our power as a union. Management is probably paying him to do it since he is on the outside looking in now.
Another falsehood…. Zero chance you have a bud….
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Old 01-31-2023, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by FrankTheTank View Post
Another falsehood…. Zero chance you have a bud….
NoBrains would never talk this way face-to-face with another person. He’s an attention seeking narcissist, who delights in stirring the pot.
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Old 01-31-2023, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by FXLAX View Post
Just connect the dots for me. Here is what you said that I'm trying to understand, "Serving ALPA is about ALPA's best interest. Pay rates are duesable. Your QOL is not. I am going to bet we will again give up QOL for money, Just like '15. Anyone here like working harder for the same credit hours?"


Do the MEC reps serve ALPA or the pilots' best interest? If it's ALPA, how does duesable income benefit our mec reps, as you insinuate? The reps are all insured by ALPA, so why would they worry about a handful of line pilots suing ALPA? Being sued is a foregone conclusion anyway. So why would a rep care if they are simply following their duty of fair representation, which a TA with membership ratification does in its most simplistic way.

To be honest, to me it sounds like you are taking this personal or are too close to it to see that you may just be a hammer that sees everything this MEC says or does as a nail.
Fair enough question.

Our reps are not trying for best value. They are going for good enough. Look at the process they have chosen. Simple language for our openers. No statements like Industry leading pay rates for the duration of our contract (until amendable date or beyond). Or our pension should finally be brought back up to the 1999 standard (IRS limits) (Yes these would be hard to achieve, but at least we would know what they are fighting for. Just improvements). Certain QOL improvements.

When this all started, read what the MEC said, they approved the NC's openers. Not they told the NC what to go get what we deserved and on and on. Then after may 22, they were disappointed, so we scheduled more meetings and one IP event. After aug 22 still disappointed , so more meetings.

We did not Join ALPA's Labor day event, My rep said it was that was only for properties in Section Six. We still are. Then when resolutions asking for leadership come up, they argue against them and vote them down. Now finally the MEC says they need your number and email address, in an email, because it is time to think about a strike vote. I got a postcard about zoo lights, but I have not seen a postcard about wanting us to update our information because we are getting close to a strike vote.

I believe the statement is "Welcome to the party pal." The MEC has not led they have played it safe and that has cost a lot of pilots an improvement in their retirement before they retired. Not to mention any other improvements.

Now the Delta pilots have a TA to vote on with higher pay rates than our MEC was comfortable asking for earlier this year. I know this because I was told to be reasonable when I gave them my thoughts on pay rates. And what is the MEC saying now, look at Alaska's TA not Delta's. Fair enough, but we only have pay rates and duration to deal with now. And of course our signing bonus. Oh and now Hawaiian has a TA to look at as well.

So with all that, I want them to fight for best value, not good enough. We can't be trusted with the position because we might be disappointed. Saying they have statistically relevant data is not the same as saying they have valid data. The first only required numbers. The latter requires education and numbers.

All that said, the NC chair is carrying the MEC on his back, but it should not be that way. And now the Vice-chair is going to training as we are about to call for a strike vote, someone has the wrong focus, but at least he was voted in by acclamation by the very MEC I am concerned about.

About everything being a nail, I don't think so. I have offered all kinds of options and possible actions. Some like them others do not, but none have been implemented. But more importantly, they are doing the same old thing time and time again. they are not coming up with new ways to engage us.

Also why does the Chair need to email us about possibly asking the MEC for authorization for a strike vote, shouldn't the MEC have a plan in place that tells the Officer exactly when that should happen?

Final thoughts, look who the MEC members have endorsed during the last several election cycles. That should tell you enough. They always back the candidate they think they can easily sway. Why is that? Is their argument that weak?


I would love to hear your thoughts on their leadership, maybe I could learn from your perspective.

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Old 01-31-2023, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Anthrax View Post
NoBrains would never talk this way face-to-face with another person. He’s an attention seeking narcissist, who delights in stirring the pot.

I most definitely would. Let me know where to meet so we can validate. Preferably west coast. I find it funny coming from one of the biggest big mouths on a APC. Someone who has repeatedly called names. I would find great joy meeting you face to face. Let me know in my PM where we can meet. I will await.
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Old 01-31-2023, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay View Post

Originally Posted by Anthrax View Post

NoBrains would never talk this way face-to-face with another person. He’s an attention seeking narcissist, who delights in stirring the pot.

I most definitely would. Let me know where to meet so we can validate. Preferably west coast. I find it funny coming from one of the biggest big mouths on a APC. Someone who has repeatedly called names. I would find great joy meeting you face to face. Let me know in my PM where we can meet. I will await.


Anthrax,

I started a GoFundMe to raise the funds to sponsor your travel, lodging, and meal expenses to meet NoWorkAllPlay. I set the goal at $800, and in less than 30 minutes we've reached over $4,000.00.


Please let us know how the meeting goes.






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Old 01-31-2023, 05:33 PM
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😀 thanks Tony. I appreciate that.
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Old 02-01-2023, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Anthrax View Post
NoBrains would never talk this way face-to-face with another person. He’s an attention seeking narcissist, who delights in stirring the pot.
And you’re an incompetent fool that trashes the Union at every chance but you still get to post your drivel on here as well.

You don’t own the sole discretion at pointing out “pot stirring”. You are the biggest Company hack on here.
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Old 02-01-2023, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Kipper View Post
This!
Everyone should log in and make sure their info is updated. Put your cell in for texts and so on.
Be sure to stay engaged.
👍👍. Well said!
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Old 02-01-2023, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by FDX1 View Post
And you’re an incompetent fool that trashes the Union at every chance but you still get to post your drivel on here as well.

You don’t own the sole discretion at pointing out “pot stirring”. You are the biggest Company hack on here.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t we go head-to-head on the 2015 TA? When I pointed out the language that wasn’t in our favor, while you rallied the troops in support of this document? Your archived posts would show this to be true. Weren’t you the one stating that lie-flat seats weren’t an issue, losing 8/24 protection wouldn’t impact much, that we would never get an increase in the A fund because the company “drew a line in the sand,” that selling back sick at half price was a good thing, a one percent bump in the B fund was like Frosted Flakes, Great! That the change in Deviation check in times were appropriate, that the company codifying the changes in section 25 was a gain so that we could get paid, regardless of how this would detrimentally affect our QOL? This was you, correct? And anyone that pushes back is a company shill? Sure. And then you basically call me trailer trash for disagreeing with you, and again, I’m supposed to sit here and take it? Nah, bro.

We fundamentally disagree on several items at hand, and I make these posts hoping that enough guys will dive deeper into the TA instead of blindly adopting the inevitable sales pitch.

Perhaps you and NoBrainsAllWeasel are collaborating, but I do get a sense that perhaps folks like you will be in the minority this time, should we face another concessionary TA.
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