magic rat

Correct me if I’m thinking about this the wrong way, BUT….if we are going to move to a strike vote, I kinda wanna see what the TA’d sections look like first, before I vote to strike. Hell, I wanna see them regardless! Why can’t the NC open up their books and show us the details? Wouldn’t that foster us in making a more informed decision?

ClncClarence

Yeah you’re thinking about it the wrong way.

I only need one question answered: Is our TA’d contract industry-leading?

If the answer is ‘yes’ then why wouldn’t the NC/MEC have come to an agreement with the company and submitted for MEMRAT, thus negating the need for a strike vote in the first place?

If the answer is ‘no’ then we should be willing to strike.

BertMacklinFBI

that is a great and simple way to put it.

BlueMoon

what’s the point of that? It’s all or nothing. We have an agreement or not. This isn’t like they are having a disagreement on some small item. THEY DON’T WANT TO PAY US.

magic rat

It’s not only about pay, The point I think is that if we see how many concessions we have ON TOP of sh!tty pay, not only will it be a no, but a HELL NO! Let’s go!

Id still like to see what they TAd and what we have given up. No harm at this point.

FreightFlyer91

Here's a hint. If it's bad enough that our NC won't even agree to it, then you should be an automatic yes to a strike authorization vote.

ClncClarence

Don’t backtrack. This makes no sense and is also at odds with your original post. You said you wanted to see the TA’d sections before you vote to strike or not, implying that you could be convinced NOT to vote for a strike by the content of the sections already TA’d. It doesn’t matter - the vote is either ‘yes’ or ‘no’ not ‘hell yes’ or ‘yes’ or ‘no’.

If it’s not good enough for the NC then it’s DEFINITELY not good enough for the pilot group. When we are actually presented with a completed TA, then we judge it based on its contents. Until then, we assume that the company continues to offer us a substandard deal and refuses to compensate us appropriately.

Anthrax

Lets assume the very worst in our NC, that he would be willing to pass a substandard TA to the body for ratification. If this were true, the company’s offer must be horrific for him to communicate to the MEC the need for a strike vote.

Now let’s assume the very best in our NC, that anything less than an industry leading TA is undeserving of ratification. If this were true, the company’s offer still falls short. Perhaps some would like to know by how much it falls short, and I would argue by a lot, given that our NC and MEC surely understand the weight of a strike vote.

I do believe that our NC wants the best for our entire crew force; thus, if our leaders call for a strike vote, we should support the effort.

That being said, if a TA comes before the body, don’t forget what we’ve been through, don’t forget the excellent piece that a member wrote regarding profit margins, as well as other items as to why we deserve an industry-leading contract! Don’t forget that since we began bargaining other companies have perhaps shifted the goal posts.

The company doesn’t want to pay us. They want to pay the execs and their buddies on Wall Street. We have to demand better, and a strike vote is an unfortunate step in doing so!

Single Seat

Is it a union decision not to release the TA'd sections or is it a contractually/legal issue?

CloudSailor

I am with you in that we should all know what the agreement looks like so far. All of us should know, not just the select few. It's a good time to know exactly what gains have been achieved and just how bad the concessions are in the TA'd sections.