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Old 06-06-2025 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Stan446
Not even close on 6 mill. You would have to be in an aggressive fund to make 6 mill. And who care about grandkids getting money, you'll spend it. And you won't have $210K/yr at 3.5%. But yes, sell out the pension. You'll give the company billions if not millions while making sub industry pay. But keep thinking anything other than a pension is a good idea.
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Lots of young guys will get there with 18-20% B fund on top of their Roths and TSP/prior 401K Easily.

Ok fine 210K per year before taxes. But yea 210K per year. Shave it off the top of your $6M and live off of it and don’t touch the next egg until you’re required to. Rinse and repeat. Not sure what part of the math you’re fuzzy on.

Finally, I’m working to change my family tree. I’m not going to die with zero. That’s no legacy.
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Old 06-06-2025 | 02:17 PM
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Lots of young guys will get there with 18-20% B fund on top of their Roths and TSP/prior 401K Easily.

Ok fine 210K per year before taxes. But yea 210K per year. Shave it off the top of your $6M and live off of it and don’t touch the next egg until you’re required to. Rinse and repeat. Not sure what part of the math you’re fuzzy on.

Finally, I’m working to change my family tree. I’m not going to die with zero. That’s no legacy.
It’s funny to hear arguments from these guys, especially when it’s dollar values they can’t even comprehend. But say the word furlough and they get all tingly in their buttholes. Never fought for anything and always ate up whatever was pushed across the table.
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Old 06-06-2025 | 02:41 PM
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This current MEC did a lot to break this union - don't let them off the hook. Between TC and TC we have two of the worst MEC members in ALPA history.
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Originally Posted by Pilotguy21
Lots of young guys will get there with 18-20% B fund on top of their Roths and TSP/prior 401K Easily.

Ok fine 210K per year before taxes. But yea 210K per year. Shave it off the top of your $6M and live off of it and don’t touch the next egg until you’re required to. Rinse and repeat. Not sure what part of the math you’re fuzzy on.

Finally, I’m working to change my family tree. I’m not going to die with zero. That’s no legacy.

Getting to 6 million (inflation adjusted) with 18% B fund is no simple matter. It requires working a very full schedule for your whole career, it requires a lot of things to go well with investing, and it requires even more things that could go wrong to not go wrong.
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Old 06-06-2025 | 02:56 PM
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Getting to 6 million (inflation adjusted) with 18% B fund is no simple matter. It requires working a very full schedule for your whole career, it requires a lot of things to go well with investing, and it requires even more things that could go wrong to not go wrong.
The biggest thing you need is to get hired by 30. Going by the rule of 7 so instead of retiring with $3 M you will have $6M.

How many got hired at FedEx under 30? I can’t imagine more than 5%.

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Old 06-06-2025 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by hemaybedid
It’s funny to hear arguments from these guys, especially when it’s dollar values they can’t even comprehend. But say the word furlough and they get all tingly in their buttholes. Never fought for anything and always ate up whatever was pushed across the table.
We all fought but you don't seem to understand that concept. You are all about you.
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Old 06-06-2025 | 04:23 PM
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The biggest thing you need is to get hired by 30. Going by the rule of 7 so instead of retiring with $3 M you will have $6M.

How many got hired at FedEx under 30? I can’t imagine more than 5%.
And they all want to sell the pension. Its all about $ money today with no clue about the long run. The pension is for everyone but some people think its a senior vs younger, and thats not it at all.
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Old 06-06-2025 | 04:57 PM
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And they all want to sell the pension. Its all about $ money today with no clue about the long run. The pension is for everyone but some people think its a senior vs younger, and thats not it at all.
What made it (somewhat) Sr vs Jr was the imbalance of TA 1. Objectively, the retirement improvements were pretty good. But it appears to have cost PM ALL his negotiating capital. Which left us with every other section in the TA being neutral at best, and many sections containing givebacks or degradation in QOL items. I completely understand someone nearing retirement wanting TA1 to pass, and for the rest of us to "get the rest on the next contract". But MANY of us didn't want to live under that lackluster TA for another 4.5 years (plus negotiation time...so potentially 8+years given the rate of negotiations these days).

So no, I don't think the pension is only for senior pilots. I just don't think TA1 came anywhere close to the right balance. Thankfully, >50% agreed.
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Old 06-06-2025 | 05:16 PM
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I completely understand someone nearing retirement wanting TA1 to pass, and for the rest of us to "get the rest on the next contract". But MANY of us didn't want to live under that lackluster TA for another 4.5 years (plus negotiation time...so potentially 8+years given the rate of negotiations these days).

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That’s been on the FedEx’s Greatest Hits CD forever. Get it on the next contract. Glad it was stopped in its tracks. PM was in it for himself, “best retirement bar none”. But worst everything, bar none.
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Old 06-06-2025 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Stan446
And they all want to sell the pension. It’s all about $ money today with no clue about the long run. The pension is for everyone but some people think it’s a senior vs younger, and thats not it at all.
yeah when I think about the 18% plus COC or CBP I absolutely don’t think about the long run at all.

welcome back we missed your wisdom!

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Old 06-06-2025 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SpoilerAlert
That’s been on the FedEx’s Greatest Hits CD forever. Get it on the next contract. Glad it was stopped in its tracks. PM was in it for himself, “best retirement bar none”. But worst everything, bar none.
Keep thinking that. You lost hundreds of thousands of dollars and retirement bump. You won''t even get close to all the past 5 yrs of lost pay raises.Two more years at least before a contract.
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