And the big 3 are polling for openers for their next contracts now, last pay raises in 2026 then they’re after new contracts. With the mediator retiring, bet the June sessions will be VERY productive….for the company. Management has successfully busted this joke of a place, and they’ll never throw us any bones at the table with our non existent leverage. Ok they did offer a CPAP allowance. If they included a Tumi bag I’d definitely vote yes, most value per pilot ever.

 

I just meant we stay connected and we stay hungry for information that can be used and leveraged to help us succeed.

 

This is why I enjoy the forums

 

This current MEC did a lot to break this union - don't let them off the hook. Between TC and TC we have two of the worst MEC members in ALPA history.

 

You mean they aren’t pandering to a minority of union members that includes your special interests? Say what you will about Tony but he negated his own best interests because he knew the right thing to do did not include ALPA pulling the ladder up on the majority of the crew force to pad his own pocket on the way out the door.

Union busters are very good at dividing the union work force. Near retirees vs younger members, now we are seeing an attempt to divide domestic vs international (BKO) and I’m sure they aren’t done yet. The best we can do is join together and let the NC speak for us, this NC is listening and is a representation of the whole of the crew force.

 

Comparing the success of pax carriers improving scope with our attempts is a simple show of ignorance. I hope we can improve our scope language. But saying we can or should because DL, AA or UA improved theirs is just dumb. Apples and orangutans or whatever else could be as far apart as possible. Two completely different business models with far different methods of determining what scope language will control.

There's not a single DL, AA or UA (or any airline customer for that matter) that buys a ticket while telling the airline - "Ya know, I don't really care if I get to my destination tomorrow or the day after. In fact, it's okay if I don't get there until next week. I also don't care if I get there on an airplane. You can truck me there or maybe put me in the belly of another airline. Just get me there for a reasonable price sometime in the next week or so."

So please stop with ANY scope comparisons with our pax peers. One of the main reasons the legacy carriers made improvements in scope is because it meshed with the long term corporate goals of their companies. We need to try to protect our flying where we can. Hopefully we can find common ground with management because it benefits both sides. But, we're not going to be successful if we start trying to insist that FedEx buys aircraft they don't need or fly half-full aircraft on non-profitable routes because we "deserve" to be moving that freight no matter what.

 

Ok. UPS has way better scope than we do.

 

Copy. Previously discussed. Nothing to do with what I posted but I don't disagree. Again, hopefully we can make improvements.

 

What the current MEC broke was management infiltration of our Union. While it’s still not quite there, the management wannabes and sympathizers who have been setting the crew force back are on the outs, If a union not controlled by management doesn’t fit your agenda, I have little sympathy for you.

 

again, different business model.