That's a good question. Don't know what it will be but I'm sure it will be improvement. Besides pay and FDP the 401k match ranked high on pilot survey.

 

Seems pilots like to turn to the section titled SALARY and then read other sections there after. Two HUGE factors some just don't consider wherever they work and for whatever reason. When one must pay towards their healthcare premium that's money not in the paycheck. "Free" healthcare is a plus in any contract. Once that can of worms is opened, paying a cost into your healthcare, then that opening widens. As costs rise in healthcare it'll be a factor in the next round of negations for sure. Plus add in the lack of a required retirement age in 135/91K world and old pilots stick around.

Without a defined company contribution retirement then we all rely on a 401k program. Any match is great, but a current match of 58% on every dollar deposited is hard to beat.

Soft money is just that and don't consider it. I've always base my budget on the 7/7...CC60, so when on the CC72 then it's found money and so too is the soft money (holiday pay, FDP and Extend Days).

Short and long term medical is weak and majority of the pilots don't think of the program. It can impact you regardless of age. Example, I know young guys who end up being out for eight, ten or longer months and the pay drops dramatically after six full months out.

Any applicant must do their homework and dig into all aspects of a contract whether it's Flex, NJA, Delta or SWA. End of the day you just have to pick the company to fly for and make it work or move on.

 

FJ won’t have a contract.

 

If I am wondering then certainly others are too. How does or who does the negotiation for the pilot group without a union? Outside agency or a select group speak for the group? How would the list of those speaking for the masses be vetted regardless from outside or inside the pilot group?

When any company increases compensation it's a win for other pilots throughout the industry.

 

This is great of it happens. I hope it does. I’ve been talking to Flexjet crews or ask my friends there. It’s seems like Flex has been dangling this carrot in front of y’all for months now of this big compensation package at the end of the year.

If they want to improve pay and benefits, just do it already. The data is out there what Netjets is making. Not sure why Flex just keeps stringing the pilots along with this big unknown announcement, except to hopefully prevent you from resigning and going elsewhere.


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On time off, do you have to stay within so many hours of the gateway airports? Do they prefer you to live at one of their gateway airports?

Besides the 7/7 schedule what is/are the other option(s)?

 

Days off are days off period and you can not be jr manned into days off. I don’t think they care if you live in a gateway but it will benefit you as an FO as you can bid for shorter rotations like 5 days on vs 7. 7/7, 8/6, PBS and flex still offers 10-14 on with incentive pay. My friend flys 14 on gets paid for 16 days and then has 15 days off in a row.

 

I asked this during indoc and was told the company wnats you within 2 hour drive of your airport. There's a long list. Some are grandfathered in and others are active. The grandfathered bases are only for crewmembers that already have it as a base but the airline travel as diminished enough to where it's not a base anymore but they still honor it for them (depends on the amount of traffic they get). On the scheudle type. Company can't schedule you anything longer than 8 days unless you waive that, all the way up to 14 day trips. I see a good mix of 6,7, and 8 day trips with anywhere from 5-8 days off in between.

 

Is the 500 hours turbine a hard requirement and will they cover an atp-ctp course? I know what the requirements are stated on the website looking to see if those are hard requirements before submitting an application.

 

I applied this past Saturday. Nothing yet. I am exactly where you are at. I don't have the 500 turbine time and I can not decide if I want to pay for the ATP/CTP course out of pocket or not when so many places are offering it when hired. I'm way over the TT and MUlti time required. It''s not easy finding a multi turbine gig anymore.

This is like a game of musical chairs right now. After doing much of nothing because of Covid, as some of us have been laid off because of it like I have, we are all anxious to live on again. Looks like we (pilots like you and I) may have to wait to see if the requirements come down before we can have a seat open in this room.

Thanks for all the other info. I'd go for the long hauls like the 14 day on 15 off. Being single I have adventures to go on. Maybe like steal a multi turbine for time building. HA!!!