Originally Posted by ItsJustUsLeft

Yeah, are you telling me you never been turned down after interview and wondered about the many many possible reasons why? All your guesses are as good as mine. I'm not here to debate with anyone. No, I don't have hundreds of hours flying turbines. It doesn't mean I can or many of us can't learn. We sure have made it through much flight training at this point. What is so difficult about flying turbine at this point to say it is golden as much as lunar landings are? I'm not saying the challenge is not there because of the increase of speed.

I, like most of us have, seems as though I have been living in the twilight zone for the past 2 years. I couldn't tell you what kind of engines were in the last airplane I flew. That is all rote memory material. That kind of learning or Jeopardy game show material keeps no one alive. What kind of glass cockpit? I don't remember. It doesn't mean I'm a liar or stupid.


Challenge a system, any system, and be ready to be called crazy, troll, whiny, garbage, and a victim as if I need to be rescued. I'm simply sharing my experience here with reason of unreasoning. I didn't say I haven't tried regional airlines for sacrifice to gain experience. I have said I don't know why I am, or WE, are not chosen because the reason is never told to us. I am not attacking you are any one here. I am questioning the system and hope to transfer the courage to other pilots here to do so. I give the companies honest reasons why I turn down their offer out of respect. Sometimes this reason they can do something about and sometimes the reason is personal and they can do nothing about it. Why shouldn't they do it for us out of respect and help? However, I have never suffered from shiny jet syndrome so I know that reason may be difficult to share with a company. I have interviewed where HR is trying to make a jet shine and sell to me. I just don't like all the sale pitches no mater which way they come from. I'm not trying to sell the last airplane I flew either. I don't know the engine names anymore. I am a pilot not a dealer. Does knowing all the numbers under the hood of a car make the driver better? Go out and challenge what is true in yourself, I am that guy.

Originally Posted by ItsJustUsLeft

What creates experience? Facing fear creates experience. Every time we face fear is when most experience is gained as pilots. How we react is a learning experience. Some of us react in fatal ways and some of us live to tell and share the experience. I have had more than one dead stick landing, none pilot error either. I have seen Saint Elmo's fire. Those experiences have more value than log book entries and knowing what is under the cowling combined. I have never had to gain control of an airplane that was out of control. That is a fear I have not experienced and I don't want to experience that ever. I'd rather the dead sticks any day over it. I don't have much aerobatic experience and if I could improve myself in anyway it would be here just to gain experience in order to deal with that fear if it ever does happen. It's not in the log books. It's not in rote memory. I have slid on a wet rode while driving and spun 180 out of control, experience. I have laid a motorcycle down twice and almost 3 times, experience. Have I been lucky to walk away? Yeah, many times but under pressure I was able to react and cause minimum injury to myself and most important, no injuries to others. What does a log book say? Nothing. My help and other peoples' help is not needed as I speak on the behalf of other qualified pilots out there wondering why they were not chosen. OK, not a problem. Log book, knowing the numbers under the cowl, and off the wall "what if" questions are more important in their insight. I will continue to stay puzzled.

Originally Posted by ItsJustUsLeft

"You quit logging flight time 10 years ago when you hit ATP mins?" Yeah, I got behind because there was no further goal attached. I got a week behind then a month then years. This must say something negative about my character, eh?

Originally Posted by ItsJustUsLeft

What creates experience? Facing fear creates experience. Every time we face fear is when most experience is gained as pilots. How we react is a learning experience. Some of us react in fatal ways and some of us live to tell and share the experience. I have had more than one dead stick landing, none pilot error either. I have seen Saint Elmo's fire. Those experiences have more value than log book entries and knowing what is under the cowling combined. I have never had to gain control of an airplane that was out of control. That is a fear I have not experienced and I don't want to experience that ever. I'd rather the dead sticks any day over it. I don't have much aerobatic experience and if I could improve myself in anyway it would be here just to gain experience in order to deal with that fear if it ever does happen. It's not in the log books. It's not in rote memory. I have slid on a wet rode while driving and spun 180 out of control, experience. I have laid a motorcycle down twice and almost 3 times, experience. Have I been lucky to walk away? Yeah, many times but under pressure I was able to react and cause minimum injury to myself and most important, no injuries to others. What does a log book say? Nothing. My help and other peoples' help is not needed as I speak on the behalf of other qualified pilots out there wondering why they were not chosen. OK, not a problem. Log book, knowing the numbers under the cowl, and off the wall "what if" questions are more important in their insight. I will continue to stay puzzled.

Originally Posted by ItsJustUsLeft

"You quit logging flight time 10 years ago when you hit ATP mins?" Yeah, I got behind because there was no further goal attached. I got a week behind then a month then years. This must say something negative about my character, eh?

Originally Posted by Kurat

We are expecting a new pilot compensation package (Project Vision) to be announced shortly. Should meet or beat what NetJets is offering. Probably will have some version of FDP available also. Waiting to see how 7/7 pay will be affected.

Originally Posted by Deserthusker

I heard an email went out last night with your pay package. Any chance you can give us any details?