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Old 02-10-2019, 07:33 AM   #81  
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No no no... you filthy expat.... You will never be hired by a US Legacy! Paradigm shift????
I think you guys are talking past each other....when the guys on here say no one at NAI will get hired at a legacy, I think most are talking about the guys who went to OJM (?) aviation. The contractor in FLL hiring 787 pilots for NAI. I donít think they are expats. OJM was paying 787 Captains around $100 an hour. Those are the guys Andy et.al. are referring to.

No one is upset about the guys who went to China or the UAE to fly when they were furloughed, and at the time, Emirates and Etihad were paying pretty well. Expats in general are free to fly for whomever they want to and as you know, China is paying top dollar for pilots.

The guys who took a job at OJM in FLL for peanuts, those guys, it feels to most of us, were willing to take a job paying multiples less than industry average, just to fly a 787, and in the process, had the potential to hurt the US industry. It feels like they were trying to cut in line. Luckily, NAI proved that low prices can still cause a multi billion dollar loss.

Iím with the other guys. I hope they learn their lesson about taking a job with a scumbag contractor that has garbage pay rates. Itís also true though, that if we are going to get angry at them for agreeing to work for lower wages, we also have to be angry with the ULCCís like spirit, Frontier, and JetBlue.
The difference is that those guys/girls were fighting for, and recently achieved much better rates so the disparity in pay isnít that great anymore.

There is a big difference between an expat Pilot, and a guy working for OJM, in my opinion.

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But... it appears, for the current period, nobodyís livelyhood is in jeopardy. Although, one should be wary of outsourcing in the name of codesharing. Arenít JVs by US with foreign carriers more of a threat to oneís livelihood than NAIs alleged US invasion?
The only ones whose livelihood is in jeopardy, are the NAI pilots.
At the same time, AA increases their JV ops with different Asian carriers. But obviously that's just fine... People here are so short sighted.
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The only ones whose livelihood is in jeopardy, are the NAI pilots.
At the same time, AA increases their JV ops with different Asian carriers. But obviously that's just fine... People here are so short sighted.
True they’ll be a diaspora from NAI... However the expat, as always, survives... whether returning to their home countries or searching for a new adventure.
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Documentation from a reliable source to cooborate youy statement.
So now you're going to move the goalposts. No surprise there.

You asked a question, I answered it. As for the airline articles you quoted, provide a quotation where it says Norwegian wasn't a negative impact on their profitability. You know, reliable source to corroborate (or even cooberate) your statements.

I find it humorous that you would think that a company in a commodity business which is selling its product below cost would not impact other companies in the same commodity business.
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Again....

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You guys are cracking me up this morning. Now I've got to call IT to get the soda off the computer screen.
I see that went over your cranium case. Horizon's interchangeable with Alaska.
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Very few of the guys who flew the 787 for Norwegian in FLL would be applying for jobs with U.S. legacy airlines. Most of the Americans were guys in their late 50s or early 60s who had retired from one of the ME3 and were just looking to make a little bit more money before hanging it up for good. Several are European pilots who somehow had a green card or dual citizenship. I believe the base captain for FLL was a retired SAS captain from Norway with dual US citizenship, and there were several retired KLM captains in the mix. There were a few younger American guys who may try for a U.S. legacy in the future, but very few, perhaps 10-15 at most. Certainly not enough for anyone to get bent out of shape over.

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I think you guys are talking past each other....when the guys on here say no one at NAI will get hired at a legacy, I think most are talking about the guys who went to OJM (?) aviation. The contractor in FLL hiring 787 pilots for NAI. I donít think they are expats. OJM was paying 787 Captains around $100 an hour. Those are the guys Andy et.al. are referring to.

No one is upset about the guys who went to China or the UAE to fly when they were furloughed, and at the time, Emirates and Etihad were paying pretty well. Expats in general are free to fly for whomever they want to and as you know, China is paying top dollar for pilots.

The guys who took a job at OJM in FLL for peanuts, those guys, it feels to most of us, were willing to take a job paying multiples less than industry average, just to fly a 787, and in the process, had the potential to hurt the US industry. It feels like they were trying to cut in line. Luckily, NAI proved that low prices can still cause a multi billion dollar loss.

Iím with the other guys. I hope they learn their lesson about taking a job with a scumbag contractor that has garbage pay rates. Itís also true though, that if we are going to get angry at them for agreeing to work for lower wages, we also have to be angry with the ULCCís like spirit, Frontier, and JetBlue.
The difference is that those guys/girls were fighting for, and recently achieved much better rates so the disparity in pay isnít that great anymore.

There is a big difference between an expat Pilot, and a guy working for OJM, in my opinion.

Have a great day, everyone.
They were trying to cut in line? What is this line you speak of? A line argument works if everyone who applies is called to interview and you just have to wait your turn. That is not the case at the big 3.
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Very few of the guys who flew the 787 for Norwegian in FLL would be applying for jobs with U.S. legacy airlines. Most of the Americans were guys in their late 50s or early 60s who had retired from one of the ME3 and were just looking to make a little bit more money before hanging it up for good. Several are European pilots who somehow had a green card or dual citizenship. I believe the base captain for FLL was a retired SAS captain from Norway with dual US citizenship, and there were several retired KLM captains in the mix. There were a few younger American guys who may try for a U.S. legacy in the future, but very few, perhaps 10-15 at most. Certainly not enough for anyone to get bent out of shape over.
A few colleagues, my age, that worked at the same carriers overseas were ready to come back to the U.S. but not ready to hang up the goggles. Perfect alternative to finish out their careers. It was more about flying, free travel to Europe, than the money. One or two Iím in contact with took a contract overseas.... again.
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So now you're going to move the goalposts. No surprise there.

You asked a question, I answered it. As for the airline articles you quoted, provide a quotation where it says Norwegian wasn't a negative impact on their profitability. You know, reliable source to corroborate (or even cooberate) your statements.

I find it humorous that you would think that a company in a commodity business which is selling its product below cost would not impact other companies in the same commodity business.
Donít know Andy, but your statement about NAI having more daily flight to the UK than everyone else is wee bit off... 3 for NAI versus 30 of AA, DAL, UAL combined... So how do you figure?

Statement that US carriers are hurting financially? Documentation provided states otherwise.
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I see that went over your cranium case. Horizon's interchangeable with Alaska.
Those jets look different too! Welcome to the Twilight Zone.
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