Which Fractional?
08-30-2018, 01:45 PM
#42
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Originally Posted by RiverRnr5
At NetJets, do they pay per diem by the hour? I assume you receive that for the entire time you are away from base? Can anyone say if they pay per diem while you are in training?
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08-30-2018, 01:49 PM
#43
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Joined APC: Oct 2013
Posts: 350
Originally Posted by RiverRnr5
At NetJets, do they pay per diem by the hour? I assume you receive that for the entire time you are away from base? Can anyone say if they pay per diem while you are in training?
Thanks!
Thanks!
08-30-2018, 02:26 PM
#44
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
Position: Just a pilot
Posts: 745
Originally Posted by CaFarful
It’ll come down much lower for those hiring on now.
As low as 4-5 years.
The backlog is being chewed through fast.
As low as 4-5 years.
The backlog is being chewed through fast.
We have over 720 SICs right now. So let's talk dreamland here:
1) We have over 720 SICs here right now.
Even if, and I'm talking unicorns and rainbows here, the company continues to upgrade 10 a month, nonstop, that's 6 years right there. This is NOT going to happen because that would put us far past the PIC/SIC ratio NetJets requires.
2) We have microscopic growth plans. All the talk about new jets is to replace the disposals. We will have net growth of under 6 planes a year long term.
3) Where are all these upgrades going to come from? We have over 1700 PICs, and that is a LOT of people who would have to quit, die or retire to free the high end.
4) Modest growth (at best) + 1700 PICs + 700 SICs = at least 10 year upgrades for anyone hired now.
5) Don't count on the retirement age for all our resident fossils to help either. We have way more SICs in that age range than PICs.
08-30-2018, 03:04 PM
#45
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Joined APC: Nov 2009
Posts: 73
As someone who left NJ 4 months ago with 10 years seniority, I would wager I’ll upgrade sooner here at SWA than I would of if I stayed.
Words can’t even express how much better my life is at swa and I can all but guarantee an upgrade at NJ would have done very little for my overall QOL. For those looking for the upgrade, good luck!
Words can’t even express how much better my life is at swa and I can all but guarantee an upgrade at NJ would have done very little for my overall QOL. For those looking for the upgrade, good luck!
08-30-2018, 06:18 PM
#47
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Posts: 26
Originally Posted by tm602
I don't know who sold you that bill of goods but I hope they threw in some magic beans.
We have over 720 SICs right now. So let's talk dreamland here:
1) We have over 720 SICs here right now.
Even if, and I'm talking unicorns and rainbows here, the company continues to upgrade 10 a month, nonstop, that's 6 years right there. This is NOT going to happen because that would put us far past the PIC/SIC ratio NetJets requires.
2) We have microscopic growth plans. All the talk about new jets is to replace the disposals. We will have net growth of under 6 planes a year long term.
3) Where are all these upgrades going to come from? We have over 1700 PICs, and that is a LOT of people who would have to quit, die or retire to free the high end.
4) Modest growth (at best) + 1700 PICs + 700 SICs = at least 10 year upgrades for anyone hired now.
5) Don't count on the retirement age for all our resident fossils to help either. We have way more SICs in that age range than PICs.
We have over 720 SICs right now. So let's talk dreamland here:
1) We have over 720 SICs here right now.
Even if, and I'm talking unicorns and rainbows here, the company continues to upgrade 10 a month, nonstop, that's 6 years right there. This is NOT going to happen because that would put us far past the PIC/SIC ratio NetJets requires.
2) We have microscopic growth plans. All the talk about new jets is to replace the disposals. We will have net growth of under 6 planes a year long term.
3) Where are all these upgrades going to come from? We have over 1700 PICs, and that is a LOT of people who would have to quit, die or retire to free the high end.
4) Modest growth (at best) + 1700 PICs + 700 SICs = at least 10 year upgrades for anyone hired now.
5) Don't count on the retirement age for all our resident fossils to help either. We have way more SICs in that age range than PICs.
It’s not going to stop for a long time.
Check your math. You’ll need good scores at the SWA interview.
08-31-2018, 02:00 AM
#49
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Posts: 26
Originally Posted by 2strokin
Former NJA pic here that left for SWA. Several have left and others are following, including some with 15+ years on property. That should speak volumes....
Sure. They’ve likely never flown airline before and wanted to do that type of flying now.
Good for them.
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08-31-2018, 02:02 AM
#50
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Posts: 26
Originally Posted by 2strokin
Former NJA pic here that left for SWA. Several have left and others are following, including some with 15+ years on property. That should speak volumes....
They’ve likely never done that type ofnflying before and they wanted to.
2001 was a real party killer and now is the first time pilots can choose where they want to go since about 2000.
Good for them. Not the path for everyone.
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