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11-16-2018, 02:52 PM
#1901
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Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 78
Originally Posted by tanker
You easily have the time to apply as an FO so why don’t you do that and then when you meet the requirements for Captain you can upgrade
Yeah, I'll do that. It'd be quite the pay cut for me, but I think I could manage for a year, at the most.
11-18-2018, 09:35 AM
#1903
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: retired
Posts: 560
Originally Posted by JMO127
Always hiring direct entry captains. the question is can the make it through training. Pass rate isn't exactly what I would call stellar. Being generous, maybe 1 in 6 IF that. More likely 1 in 8 or 9. The flying is the easy part. It's the company stuff that gets people. The FMS is foreign and currently the way it is taught isn't exactly easy to pick up. The 2M 'Sim" they have is more for procedures not exactly FMS related things. It's just a different operation. Most of the post airline guys crash and burn. It is what it is.
11-18-2018, 09:36 AM
#1904
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Posts: 452
Originally Posted by filejw
Sounds like a real weak training department. Perhaps changes are needed in the recruitment department also as pass rate like that is just a waste of money.
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11-18-2018, 10:30 AM
#1905
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Position: retired
Posts: 560
Originally Posted by JMO127
That's why they recently overhauled the direct entry program.
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11-18-2018, 10:35 AM
#1906
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Originally Posted by filejw
I see that above. Looks like they are just not getting the quality they need for DEC.
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11-18-2018, 10:47 AM
#1907
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Position: retired
Posts: 560
Originally Posted by JMO127
As I've said before, it's not a lack of quality. People are HIGHLY qualified. 78 Captains, 88 captains, 74 captains, retired airforce col., Retired jet blue folks, former NJ folks, good quality of candidates. 320,21 guys. Folks that fly the 12 for other charter outfits. No shortage of good candidates. They just can't pass training. The method of evaluation in their $2M procedures trainer is a terrible waste IMO. The flying is easy. It's the company stuff that gets folks.
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11-18-2018, 10:52 AM
#1908
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 452
Originally Posted by filejw
Well then there is something really wrong with the training department or someone has a really big ego. Ill just tell my young neighbor who asked me to check out this thread to stay away from this place.
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11-18-2018, 01:55 PM
#1909
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 441
The company is a great place to work and the training is comparable to what was done at my previous major airline and the commuter before that. I’m a DEC going through the new program and I can see how it would be difficult to learn a new FMS, aircraft, and company operations all as a Captain. With this new program I’m getting comfortable with the FMS and the aircraft without also being responsible for the operational aspect of the operation. The other DECs going through this new program feel the same way.
11-18-2018, 01:57 PM
#1910
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Posts: 452
Originally Posted by tanker
The company is a great place to work and the training is comparable to what was done at my previous major airline and the commuter before that. I’m a DEC going through the new program and I can see how it would be difficult to learn a new FMS, aircraft, and company operations all as a Captain. With this new program I’m getting comfortable with the FMS and the aircraft without also being responsible for the operational aspect of the operation. The other DECs going through this new program feel the same way.
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