The Biffster is going to have a heart attack when we vote this down!! That’s reason enough for me to vote be a no vote!! Not to mention it’s below our ask from 3 years ago and it’s the lowest again in the industry. I hope this group has the guts to send a resounding no vote to this management. Enough is enough!

 

The new tax law alone makes this AIP obsolete and 75 million chump change for Franke. Retirement? Are you kidding??

I will say there are some good things but the bad vastly outweighs the good.

Franke needs a contract. Why do you think all of a sudden they came to the table?? The reason doesn’t matter...he needs it. Vote NO!

Remember when the other carriers gave a silly $1,000 bonus after the new tax law and we got the memo from Biffle we must pay for a Coke??? Yeah, I’ll have that in mind when I vote NO!

 

I respectfully guess you are not among the 12+ year guys and don’t know what we’ve been through. There will be more no votes among us than any other group.

Vote NO!

 

As someone who was chanting that we should withhold judgment until the details were released, I'll now join the chorus and add that I’m another no vote. I refuse to cement myself to the bottom of the industry for the next 10 years. Don’t think for a second that this contract will be any less duration than that. Also, even if a merger is in the works, I’ll take my chances under current book. I will not sell myself short on “what ifs” and/or fear.

 

From a junior guy, thank you!

If the union can't PROVE that I'm going to maintain my qol AND credit 100 hours a month than these rates are deplorable.

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That's not how this works! You can't be the LAST to get a contract that's in LAST place.

 

I am a not a 12 year guy or close to it just a junior man. I respect all you guys/gals for what you went through here at F9. I know you are due for a big pay increase. I just fly with them a lot and in the last 6 months it seems like some were lowering what they wanted, getting impatient, and worried about the economy. That worries me. Especially with PBS thrown in at the last minute. This contract is setup to where the gap from the rest is not as bad at year 12 then it is down the pay scale. So I am guessing IF it was to pass that is how they would get it. Not at all saying it will. I have been in other contract negotiations and the company always targets the area of the pilots that will give the majority aka 51 percent. If it goes down then they just sweeten the pot just a bit more in those areas. F9 is top heavy. More then half of this group is at year 12 and that is where they would target imo. If it was junior they would give more pay to the junior guys and less to the senior ones. That is all I am saying. Anyway, there are always those quiet ones who vote yes and you never knew it was coming. I have seen airlinepilotforums in the past filled with no votes and then watched a TA pass. I just hope we all fight for what we deserve. I think we will.

BIG NO VOTE from me.

 

^^^^^^^^^ +1 more

 

Let’s look at some real numbers of this vs JB.

I used 75 hrs a month credit, and the 12% F9 DC vs JB 15%, 2.35 vs 2.00 per diem at 280 TAFB. I don’t know the cost of the health care so cannot compare there.

The LTD is 13.5k vs 8k. The list goes on and on!

The Pay, DC, and per diem where I would fall (even using the March rates) puts me behind our brothers at JB $35,905 a year. The first year. Yeah it goes down a little due to slope, but that’s enough to pay straight up for a year of college that we are leaving on the table. EVERY YEAR FOR REALISTICALLY 8 YEARS!

YGTBSM!

Grab a pen and paper and figure out how much more you all would be getting forked by Indigo.

 

I’m a NO...the rates should START near the proposed DOS+5 rates and 15% DC at DOS....not even close!

 

Substandard Rates, DC, LTD, Per Diem, Duration, Pattern Bargaining integrity, and didn’t even get a real min day. Oh, but that industry leading vacation is in there ( yeah right).

This thing isn’t even close.

Can’t wait for the timeshare presentation.