Frontier Negotiations Discussion
11-10-2018 | 04:34 AM
#3122
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I think a few too many people starting drinking the punch before they realized there was a turd in the punch bowl. Motorboatin comes to mind. Now he’s is trying to make excuses for the sh!t stuck in his teeth while everyone else looks at the TA with disgust. He probably put down a boat payment based on the rumors alone.
11-10-2018 | 04:51 AM
#3123
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SHAME on the NC.
SHAME on ALPA, our Trusted Advisors.
SHAME on the MEC, if you think this is acceptable to the pilot group.
Bottom to Bottom is NOT Acceptable. If we wanted this SH!T we could have had this months earlier.
Not now. Not After the sacrifice of our time - YEARS.. Time has a price. 75 mil now to have a concessionary contract with SH!TY work Rules all round. -NO Way.
YOU people have this ALL WRONG.. the market Favors labor/pilots now.. We're not a dime a dozen any more. We are in Demand.
The pilot group demands Nothing more than what is FAIR. Nothing in these Bullet points, points to ANYTHING that is fair, based on the current market, our time in fruitless negotiations, and Our Daily suffering.
The TA'd items were fine back in the day; however today is today, and they must be adjusted for currency.
NC, don't forget that PBS was one of the THREE TOP NO Votes for the Entire pilot group in the polls. To see it included in any further contract agreement makes any member wonder who your negotiating for.
A simple message to ALPA and the NC - Wrap It up. And as far as Your Remedy - Not Even Close....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-emlb2_jdI
Get Your Sh!t together. there are 1200+ F9 pilots counting on YOU.
SHAME on ALPA, our Trusted Advisors.
SHAME on the MEC, if you think this is acceptable to the pilot group.
Bottom to Bottom is NOT Acceptable. If we wanted this SH!T we could have had this months earlier.
Not now. Not After the sacrifice of our time - YEARS.. Time has a price. 75 mil now to have a concessionary contract with SH!TY work Rules all round. -NO Way.
YOU people have this ALL WRONG.. the market Favors labor/pilots now.. We're not a dime a dozen any more. We are in Demand.
The pilot group demands Nothing more than what is FAIR. Nothing in these Bullet points, points to ANYTHING that is fair, based on the current market, our time in fruitless negotiations, and Our Daily suffering.
The TA'd items were fine back in the day; however today is today, and they must be adjusted for currency.
NC, don't forget that PBS was one of the THREE TOP NO Votes for the Entire pilot group in the polls. To see it included in any further contract agreement makes any member wonder who your negotiating for.
A simple message to ALPA and the NC - Wrap It up. And as far as Your Remedy - Not Even Close....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-emlb2_jdI
Get Your Sh!t together. there are 1200+ F9 pilots counting on YOU.
11-10-2018 | 05:20 AM
#3124
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Wow, Cloudwarrior. I may disappointed in the AIP bullet points but I’m far from taking a crap on NC and MEC members. Shaming them probably isn’t going to get you the response you desire. It’s not the same conversation as people having a problem with the 429s coming onboard, these people haven’t been undermining our pilot group, the’ve been working 2 1/2 years on our behalf - that’s a long time to push paper for someone who originally signed up to fly airplanes for a living. A better idea would be to make a phone call to your reps and express your distaste with the AIP.
11-10-2018 | 07:10 AM
#3126
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I have no idea but I would venture to guess that the national monkey board drove this agreement to its fruition.
Now let's tell them to pound sand by a vast majority NO vote and let the "market" decide who is correct...
A solid upper middle is all I ask, not Bottom or runner up to the Bottom.....
Now let's tell them to pound sand by a vast majority NO vote and let the "market" decide who is correct...
A solid upper middle is all I ask, not Bottom or runner up to the Bottom.....
11-10-2018 | 07:22 AM
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I have no idea but I would venture to guess that the national monkey board drove this agreement to its fruition.
Now let's tell them to pound sand by a vast majority NO vote and let the "market" decide who is correct...
A solid upper middle is all I ask, not Bottom or runner up to the Bottom.....
Now let's tell them to pound sand by a vast majority NO vote and let the "market" decide who is correct...
A solid upper middle is all I ask, not Bottom or runner up to the Bottom.....
11-10-2018 | 07:41 AM
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And when it passes by 60+% please do yourself and the rest of the group a favor and take the contract and stop blaming 60% of the group. Vote what you feel is right, but accept the result, learn from it and always always always get better. But never blame each other, that's a recipe for management win every time.
11-10-2018 | 07:42 AM
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Am I missing something? Isn't this AIP better than allegiant better than spirit and in March 3 months after signing we would go up another 4 bucks an hour bringing us closer to JetBlue? JetBlue and southwest run on a different business mentality we won't top them. But even then in 2023 we're above JetBlue where they stand right now.
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