ReserveCA

I, for one , will not get the (B cubed) attachment.......
Barry Biffels B!tch

Prettywhacked1

I don’t believe this AIP offer tabled has much to do with new hire pilot class sizes.....many have thought for a while that an IPO and/or merger is imminent.....Indigo needs to not only secure fresh labor contracts (all but pilots & FAs signed in the last 12 months), but they also need to “rope off” all the legal disputes (Alpa lawsuit, hundreds of Pilot grievances) in order to plot forward towards their big sale payoff.........which is WHY we “have hand” (in the words of George Costanza).......imho.........

Aero1900

I was told just the other day that some of the pressure the company is feeling is due to the leasing companies wanting predictable expenses going forward.

As these big batch of aircraft start arriving, the leasing companies want to see the financials before they provide the financing for the planes.

It might have had less to do with newhire classes and more to do with securing hundreds of millions of dollars worth of aircraft

CantStayAway

Funny. I talked with a rep and heard that PBS will be negotiated between a committee made up of both pilots and company people. I don’t think we’ll be voting on the actual PBS language.

PulledBreaker

Sounds a lot like a 50/50 review board. Perpetual deadlock. Maybe that's why we have the arbitration wording in the bullet points .

ReserveCA

Just another reason....NO

SFA320

How do you mean? They are still writing the contract, and they don’t vote until the week of 12/3.

Scoop

No, no agenda, zero agenda, NADA. Exactly what agenda do you think the Non Frontier Pilot Moderators have?


First off all I would be willing to bet most MODs have no dog in this hunt. I for one have no idea who the "Wait and see People" are but I assume there must be a protagonist group to counter these "wait and see people" Who are they? The "hurry up and don't look" tribe?



In the words of a great Indian Chief from Long ago "We Moderators are few - the posters are many." In other words, not only are we not emotionally invested in your thread we probably have not even read it.


The solution to this is simple - if you come across a post that violates the terms of service please report it. We will then address it. If no one reports it a MOD may never see it.



Scoop

DimpledBalls

Baaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaa, hahahahaha cough, cough. Baaaaaahaaaaa.

This AIP/TA is not “into the pattern”. Not by a long shot. NMB or no NMB, this NC has been outgunned since Day 1. NMB asked ALPA for PBS and they gave it to them while simultaneously lowering their October increased ask on pay rates. Lowered their October ask on DC. They sold out year 2-11 guys/gals to get “yes” votes. Make no mistake, you will operate under this contract for at least 7 years from today. 7 years at the bottom while every other pilot makes more money than you. Has cheaper healthcare than you and has a much larger retirement than you. Can’t possibly see from the bullet points how anyone would consider voting yes on the agreement. It is generally accepted that implementation of any PBS software equates to 8-12% reduction in pay rates (primarily based on seniority). Our senior pilots will receive approximately $0.48 on the dollar for retro, aka ratification bonus. This should be a “no” for anyone that plans on staying at F9.

Scoop

Generally accepted reduction in rates? That is the first I ever heard of it. And how can something that affects seniority hurt the whole Pilot group? If it affects some guys negatively it affects other guys positively.

What PBS does do is increase the efficiency of the Pilot group by not allowing/reducing pre-month conflicts. This efficiency issue can be huge if you switch to PBS while guys are furloughed like some airlines have done or not even noticeable if you switch when you are hiring or undermanned.

I will say most guys who fly under PBS seem to prefer it over LOT bidding.

Scoop