The defeatism in this group is strong. You will get exactly what you deserve through negotiations. It is up to you to decide what you deserve.

If you believe you deserve a bottom of the industry contract, you will get it. If you believe you deserve more, you will get it. The vote will tell us what the group believes they deserve.

 

LOL!!! Thank you for summing up your delusional way of thinking.

 

I think you’re confusing defeatism with realistic. What I think we deserve is way more than what I realistically expect.

 

If you were actually an F9 pilot you would have used “our” and “us” instead of “your” and “you” here. Apparently F9 management couldn’t afford the pros and had to settle for an amateur labor busting firm.

 

Labor busting firms don't waste their time dealing with the same 10 people who frequent APC...

 

Maybe the crappy budget ones do...


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No problem! Thank you for summing up your self worth!

 

I consider myself a moderate. (unlike all the bomb throwers here). It seems to me that since we compete for the same passengers as say United, Delta or American, we should get the same pay and benefits. For that reason, I'm voting no.



Send the negotiators back in and negotiate a competitive contract.


Hope this helps.

 

I’m not F9. I stated that in previous post. I’m a regional captain who has been following progress at F9 because I would like to work here. So you could say, yes I have a vested interest in what goes on here. And FWIW, I never even considered putting in an app while you guys were in a contract dispute. You guys need to put your tinfoil hats away. Just because someone disagrees with your opinion doesn't make them a ‘management troll’ lol.

 

We (NK and F9) don't compete for all the same passengers with the other airlines. There is an overlap of our pax with everyone else but it amounts to an approximate 10% overlap. We do have pax that will use NK, NJA, DL, B6, etc depending on the mission and length. But frankly, 75% of Delta pax wouldn't be caught on NK/F9 and 75% of our pax couldn't afford Delta. The above figures aren't exact but you get the picture.

We should get paid the same if not more due to our lack of career and QOL progression. At DL/AA/UA the narrow body crews have the option of moving into larger and better paying wide body aircraft. Those that stay in the NB fleet will enjoy a better QOL and seat progression as more senior crews move into the WB fleets. We're stuck in a single NB fleet with no WB progression, no QOL progression, and no retirements. A case could me made that we should be paid a premium over our counterparts due to our handicap.

Unfortunately, the NMB doesn't agree with my assessment nor your sentiment. They view us as discount pilots for discount airlines. At some point that cycle has got to be broken. We didn't break it at NK due to a whole host of reasons and I'll accept some of the blame for that as I hold a seniority number there. Whether you do or don't is entirely up to you and your fellow F9 pilots.