Union is right! Spirit plus 1
12-19-2018 | 09:35 PM
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The D.O. at Trans States is boasting that these MRJ's are going to be flown for Frontier. I surly hope not. Scope should be our main concern. If not for anything else, this substandard TA is lacking in every principle pertaining to this issue. Accept nothing less than NO FRONTIER EXPRESS EVER!
12-20-2018 | 01:31 AM
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So let me get this straight...your theory is that Franke who owned NK in a previous life... than bailed and went out for F9... is now going to come back and buy a publically traded profitable airline??? Good luck with that. Previous poster was correct NK scope won’t allow it
12-20-2018 | 04:36 AM
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I’m mostly just stirring the pot. No real theory. Are you sure about the scope thing? If so this is concerning because our attorney told us at road shows that because Indigo is an investment firm, and not an airlines holding company, that it’s impossible to prevent them from buying multiple airlines and keeping them separate. If your scope truly prevents this then we’ve been lied to by ALPA.
12-20-2018 | 04:54 AM
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I’m mostly just stirring the pot. No real theory. Are you sure about the scope thing? If so this is concerning because our attorney told us at road shows that because Indigo is an investment firm, and not an airlines holding company, that it’s impossible to prevent them from buying multiple airlines and keeping them separate. If your scope truly prevents this then we’ve been lied to by ALPA.
12-20-2018 | 05:13 AM
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How do you prevent a whipsaw without a merger? Serious question.
12-20-2018 | 05:25 AM
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Spirit:
Frontier TA:
The rest of Section E. and Section H., respectively, appear to be nearly word-for-word, as well.
5. The Company will not assign or allocate flying or aircraft to
the carriers it controls for the purpose of securing contractual
relief or concessions (i.e. no “whipsawing”).
the carriers it controls for the purpose of securing contractual
relief or concessions (i.e. no “whipsawing”).
Frontier TA:
5. The Company, Frontier Airlines Holdings, Inc., and Frontier Group Holdings,
Inc. will not assign or allocate flying or aircraft to other carriers any of them
Controls for the purpose of securing contractual relief or concessions from
the Pilots (i.e. no “whipsawing”).
Inc. will not assign or allocate flying or aircraft to other carriers any of them
Controls for the purpose of securing contractual relief or concessions from
the Pilots (i.e. no “whipsawing”).
12-20-2018 | 05:37 AM
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Here is Spirits paragraph regarding this:
Paragraph 1 for reference:
Frontier's:
Force Majeure:
6. The Company shall be excused from compliance with the
foregoing paragraphs 1-4 in the event of a “Circumstance
Beyond The Company’s Control,” the retirement of aircraft
in the normal course of business, or requirement by a government
agency that the Company reduce or cancel service,
as well as from paragraph 1 for economic reasons, not related
to the acquisition transaction, and one of the foregoing is
the cause of non-compliance.
foregoing paragraphs 1-4 in the event of a “Circumstance
Beyond The Company’s Control,” the retirement of aircraft
in the normal course of business, or requirement by a government
agency that the Company reduce or cancel service,
as well as from paragraph 1 for economic reasons, not related
to the acquisition transaction, and one of the foregoing is
the cause of non-compliance.
1. Spirit pilots will have the right to operate all aircraft on hand
at the Company or on firm order for the use of the Company
as of the date of the closing of the acquisition transaction.
at the Company or on firm order for the use of the Company
as of the date of the closing of the acquisition transaction.
6. The Company shall be excused from compliance with Paragraphs H.1.-H.4.,
above, in the event of a “Force Majeure” as defined in Paragraph E.8., above,
the retirement of aircraft in the normal course of business, or requirement by
a government agency that the Company reduce or cancel service, as well as
from Paragraph H.1., above, for economic reasons, not related to the
acquisition transaction, and one of the foregoing events is the cause of noncompliance.
above, in the event of a “Force Majeure” as defined in Paragraph E.8., above,
the retirement of aircraft in the normal course of business, or requirement by
a government agency that the Company reduce or cancel service, as well as
from Paragraph H.1., above, for economic reasons, not related to the
acquisition transaction, and one of the foregoing events is the cause of noncompliance.
8. “Force Majeure,” as used in this Section 1, means one or more of the
following extraordinary events or circumstances if it is beyond the control of
the Company and if it negatively impacts the Company’s ability to conduct a
portion of its flight operations, but it does not include the price of fuel,
aircraft, or other supplies, the state of the economy, the financial state of the
Company, or the relative profitability or unprofitability of the Company’s
then-current or projected operations:
a. A natural disaster;
b. Grounding by a government agency, loss, or destruction of Company
aircraft;
c. A decrease in available fuel supply or other critical materials due to
either governmental action or commercial suppliers being unable to
provide sufficient fuel or other critical materials for the Company’s
operations;
d. Revocation of a Company operating certificate;
e. A U.S. Government declared national emergency, a war or act of
terrorism on U.S. soil;
f. Any delay, not caused by the Company, in delivery of new aircraft
scheduled for delivery;
g. A strike by one or more groups of the Company’s employees;
h. A health crisis or pandemic.
following extraordinary events or circumstances if it is beyond the control of
the Company and if it negatively impacts the Company’s ability to conduct a
portion of its flight operations, but it does not include the price of fuel,
aircraft, or other supplies, the state of the economy, the financial state of the
Company, or the relative profitability or unprofitability of the Company’s
then-current or projected operations:
a. A natural disaster;
b. Grounding by a government agency, loss, or destruction of Company
aircraft;
c. A decrease in available fuel supply or other critical materials due to
either governmental action or commercial suppliers being unable to
provide sufficient fuel or other critical materials for the Company’s
operations;
d. Revocation of a Company operating certificate;
e. A U.S. Government declared national emergency, a war or act of
terrorism on U.S. soil;
f. Any delay, not caused by the Company, in delivery of new aircraft
scheduled for delivery;
g. A strike by one or more groups of the Company’s employees;
h. A health crisis or pandemic.
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