Were you a pre-covid or post-covid hire? If you were pre-covid, subtract a year off of that for someone hired post covid. Additionally, I’m going out on a limb and assuming that your math was basically dividing the number of people between you and the most junior captain by 25? If that’s the case then your math assumes that every single person senior to you will take the upgrade… not a single person will bypass. That is not, and never will be, the case at any airline. Lots of FOs bypass for a multitude of reasons. Heck, our most senior FO is a 2001 hire! If you look over the seniority list below six years or so of longevity, it’s a constant mix of captains and FOs. It doesn’t become predominantly captains until it hits around 2015 hires, and there’s STILL quite a few FOs in the mix beyond that. There’s a lot more that goes into upgrade time than simple division.

Edit: I didn’t even factor in the possibility that your calculator might be broken as pointed out above.

 

TOGA just said the most junior capt was a July 18 hire. I’m guessing you weren’t factoring in by passers etc. Airbus has been a little behind as well as Frontier pushing back some deliveries, but starting in 23 the aircraft delivery numbers are large. Once post COVID hires start to upgrade it will be under 3 years easy. I will admit there are a lot of hurdles and variables to get there. It’s aviation and it’s Franke.

 

Yeah you’re off buddy

 

How much vacation and sick time do you get per year?

 

Sick time accrues at 1 day per month (12 days per year). Doesn’t expire and will continue to roll and accrue into the following year if not used. Sick bank is capped at 120 days.

You won’t have any usable vacation to use during your hire year, but will accrue it at a rate of .577 days per pay period (26 pay periods in a full year) to be used in your second calendar (ex. Hired December 1st of ‘21 and were around for two pay periods = 1 full day to use between Jan 1 and Dec 31 of ‘22) This essentially comes out to 15 days if you were hired on Jan 1.

From full years of service 1-5 you get 15 days

6-10 is 21 days

More than 10 years is 28 days.

 

and if you have the audacity to use any sick time, you get a free trip to DEN for a disciplinary hearing.
for realz……

 

Any JCBA should include another week after ???? 15-18-20 yrs??

 

Are you guys having the same problem we’re having at the yellow bus? So many FOs leaving, it is clogging up the school house and not allowing many upgrades.

 

Yup, true story

 

Not a problem at Frontier. We have only run 6 upgrades in 2022.