Hiring / training
11-10-2019, 07:56 PM
#771
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Im thinking about 3250 pilots with a fleet of 214. That's about 7 years down the road. That's a growth of 250 pilots per year, so probably hire 275 or so per year to keep up with retirements and attrition, maybe more.
And for those not currently on property; we have about 1450 pilots currently with a little less than 100 airplanes.
And for those not currently on property; we have about 1450 pilots currently with a little less than 100 airplanes.
11-11-2019, 06:59 PM
#773
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Originally Posted by Notarealpilot
Word from the training department is yes 24 a month.
11-11-2019, 07:13 PM
#774
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Originally Posted by DrJekyll MrHyde
I thought maybe we would see some upgrade numbers to match new hire numbers post-contract but apparently not. Hiring 48/month and upgrading 24/month suggests we’re still losing FOs to other airlines (or in rare cases by failure in new-hire training) at a sizable rate.
11-12-2019, 03:09 AM
#775
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Originally Posted by DrJekyll MrHyde
I thought maybe we would see some upgrade numbers to match new hire numbers post-contract but apparently not. Hiring 48/month and upgrading 24/month suggests we’re still losing FOs to other airlines (or in rare cases by failure in new-hire training) at a sizable rate.
One big thing to consider is upgrade training is a lot shorter than newhire.
11-12-2019, 07:00 AM
#776
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Originally Posted by RustyChain
So 24 is too many upgrades?
One big thing to consider is upgrade training is a lot shorter than newhire.
One big thing to consider is upgrade training is a lot shorter than newhire.
11-12-2019, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by DrJekyll MrHyde
I thought maybe we would see some upgrade numbers to match new hire numbers post-contract but apparently not. Hiring 48/month and upgrading 24/month suggests we’re still losing FOs to other airlines (or in rare cases by failure in new-hire training) at a sizable rate.
When I look at the seniority list it appears we haven’t lost many FO’s. I expect to see upgrades that equal roughly half the new hire numbers.
11-13-2019, 12:07 PM
#779
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Originally Posted by Powderkeg
You can’t upgrade the same number you hire, at least not for long. If we hire 1,000 pilots and upgrade 1,000 pilots we would have 1,700 Captains and 700 First Officers, unless attrition is high.
When I look at the seniority list it appears we haven’t lost many FO’s. I expect to see upgrades that equal roughly half the new hire numbers.
When I look at the seniority list it appears we haven’t lost many FO’s. I expect to see upgrades that equal roughly half the new hire numbers.
11-13-2019, 12:13 PM
#780
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Originally Posted by DrJekyll MrHyde
You got me. Too many free beers. I even wrote 24 upgrades when I was thinking it was 12. Nope, it’s 24/month and that makes perfect sense sans alcohol.
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