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Old 10-10-2019, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900 View Post
Someone should try to calculate master seniority list comparison for someone hired today at Frontier vs Delta over the next decade.

Based on our more than double growth but few retirement and delta retirements but little growth.

And then everyone could chime and and criticize your math. Any takers?
I didnít go that far, but I did some rough math just now as I debated over updating airline apps. Iím low 700s seniority, and I count approximately 195 retirements in the next 10 years that are senior to me. 54 over the next 5 years.

If our pilot group doubles in size within 10 years, thatís about 7% of the top 700 pilots retiring mandatorily within that time frame.

Keep in mind, I just counted those senior to me
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Old 10-10-2019, 04:43 PM
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I'm thinking that in 2028 when we hit 214 airplanes we should have a seniority list of roughly 3200.

For someone hire today, I suspect that if all goes to plan you'll be solidly above the 50% mark here in 2028. I'm guessing that's roughly your best case scenario at UAL, DL, AA. Anyone that's already on the list here will probably have better seniority here then if they leave for a legacy.
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Old 10-10-2019, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900 View Post
I'm thinking that in 2028 when we hit 214 airplanes we should have a seniority list of roughly 3200.

For someone hire today, I suspect that if all goes to plan you'll be solidly above the 50% mark here in 2028. I'm guessing that's roughly your best case scenario at UAL, DL, AA. Anyone that's already on the list here will probably have better seniority here then if they leave for a legacy.
Iím pretty sure the forecast for deliveries goes through 2026 not Ď28. First order of 120 wraps up in 2021 then another 5 years to get next 134 more.
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Old 10-11-2019, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Powderkeg View Post
Iím pretty sure the forecast for deliveries goes through 2026 not Ď28. First order of 120 wraps up in 2021 then another 5 years to get next 134 more.
Yes 2026 is correct for the 134 order according to the press release. So about 250 airplanes by 2026.
We have 96 as of today.
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Old 10-11-2019, 10:55 AM
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I think there might have been some delays. I recently saw the fleet plan documents and I'm pretty sure it showed deliveries thru 2028. Maybe those are the XLRs, i just don't know.

Either way, when we hit our fleet plan of 215 we should have about 3250 pilots or so. Currently we have about 1440 pilots, so I suspect we will hire 1900+ pilots between now and 2028 accounting for retirement and attrition. That's a manageable amount of hiring.
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Old 10-11-2019, 02:44 PM
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So which is it, 250 or 215 airplanes?
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Old 10-11-2019, 02:54 PM
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So which is it, 250 or 215 airplanes?
By 2026 it should be 217. Who knows after that.
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Old 10-11-2019, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MysteriousMrX View Post
If hired at F9.. (I know thereís a long wait time for class right now)
How long is reserve a and what base is junior?
Iím able to move to any base- wherever I can hold a line quickest would be nice.
We don't fly the 757/767, we don't do long haul international, and we have the Hogan test. You wouldn't like it here, big shoots.
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Old 10-12-2019, 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by SFA320 View Post
By 2026 it should be 217. Who knows after that.
219 if the rumors about a couple Thomas Cook airplanes is correct. But we all know 2026 is a loooong way away.
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Originally Posted by Powderkeg View Post
219 if the rumors about a couple Thomas Cook airplanes is correct. But we all know 2026 is a loooong way away.
Training department said we got 10 from them. Iíd prefer that rumor.
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