Hiring / training
11-29-2019, 10:32 AM
#811
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
Oh God!!! The sky is falling! Everything is wrong! Everyone Run!
Oh wait, nevermind. They never post a vacancy before the people have even been hired! The December class hasn't been hired yet... you know... cuz it's still November. They usually post a vacancy about a week or two after a newhire class begins.
I'm just messing with you V1.
Oh wait, nevermind. They never post a vacancy before the people have even been hired! The December class hasn't been hired yet... you know... cuz it's still November. They usually post a vacancy about a week or two after a newhire class begins.
I'm just messing with you V1.
I do hope there’s more than 12 upgrades being awarded in Dec. 12 is underwhelming. I find no less than 18 to be the minimum acceptable level.
11-29-2019, 11:13 AM
#812
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: 1900D CA
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Originally Posted by V1 McFlyerson
Touché.
I do hope there’s more than 12 upgrades being awarded in Dec. 12 is underwhelming. I find no less than 18 to be the minimum acceptable level.
I do hope there’s more than 12 upgrades being awarded in Dec. 12 is underwhelming. I find no less than 18 to be the minimum acceptable level.
11-29-2019, 12:53 PM
#813
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Position: Left Seat
Posts: 55
Originally Posted by Aero1900
You know they are saying around 250 newhires per year, so I figure 125 upgrades? That's less than 12 a month. Doesn't sound like all that much. I wonder how many we ran in 2019? I believe it was very few. Less than 60?
11-29-2019, 03:47 PM
#814
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Originally Posted by FlyingV
Those numbers make more sense to me for the long term plan than 50 new hires per month. 250 new hires per year over the next 6 years adds 1500 total. That averages out to just under 21 per month. So half of that for Upgrades? Of course, more would have to be added for attrition. They would line up better with the fleet growth plans. As a poolie, I'd rather see more new hires and upgrades! The wait for a class date is not that fun.
I’m not in the know but my guess is this most recent, random vacancy that doesn’t coincide with a new hire class is meant to staff a couple unplanned airplane deliveries i.e. Thomas Cook acquisitions. Then I would expect January-May 45-50 new hires and 24-ish upgrades. After that a drought lasting until fall.
11-29-2019, 05:28 PM
#815
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That makes sense with the Thomas Cook deliveries and the slow downs in the summers. I can't imagine what it was like waiting in the pool as long as the Spring hires. Either way, it is nice to see that volume of me hires coming through. Does anybody have a rough idea of what the training footprint will be like with the new home study section?
11-29-2019, 05:56 PM
#816
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Originally Posted by FlyingV
That makes sense with the Thomas Cook deliveries and the slow downs in the summers. I can't imagine what it was like waiting in the pool as long as the Spring hires. Either way, it is nice to see that volume of me hires coming through. Does anybody have a rough idea of what the training footprint will be like with the new home study section?
When the “plan” is put into action is a moving target.
11-30-2019, 07:14 AM
#818
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Position: 1900D CA
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The last few posts on here regarding hiring numbers are correct.
Our long term hiring should result in around 250 pilots per year added to the seniority list. When you factor in retirements and attrition, you could probably assume we will hire 275ish? per year for the next 5+ years. Our management and training dept says we are going to run multiple classes of 48 for the next few months, so I can just about guarantee that we will stop hiring over the summer months (as we have done every summer).
The other thing that I can guarantee you is this: when we stop hiring during the summer, everyone will freak out, claim the sky is falling, and say the company is lying to us. Happens every summer. 48/ month is way beyond what we need consistently.
Our long term hiring should result in around 250 pilots per year added to the seniority list. When you factor in retirements and attrition, you could probably assume we will hire 275ish? per year for the next 5+ years. Our management and training dept says we are going to run multiple classes of 48 for the next few months, so I can just about guarantee that we will stop hiring over the summer months (as we have done every summer).
The other thing that I can guarantee you is this: when we stop hiring during the summer, everyone will freak out, claim the sky is falling, and say the company is lying to us. Happens every summer. 48/ month is way beyond what we need consistently.
11-30-2019, 09:16 AM
#819
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Position: Line holder, barely
Posts: 256
Originally Posted by Aero1900
when we stop hiring during the summer, everyone will freak out, claim the sky is falling, and say the company is lying to us.
Ain't that the truth! Short attention span theater anyone?
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