G4 guy here. We are in 4.5 years into negotiations. 2 years with the NMB.

just got assigned a new mediator. We’ve had DRAMA with our union (even more than the typical teamster bs).

most believe we will be lucky to get something ratified in 2025. Good luck guys. Hang in there.

 

When I saw the posts from both of you, I was a little surprised and is exactly why my 1st sentence is worded how it is.

Nevertheless, you put out into the world what you posted. I couldn't disagree more with both of you. I'm familiar w/ the RLA and was here last contract cycle.

 

We just got a new mediator also. Who did you/do you have? Did your NC give an opinion on whether they viewed it as good/bad/indifferent? We went from CP ---> JS. While it's too soon to tell, I think most of us view it as positive to be assigned a mediator with more experience despite the setback that comes from getting the new mediator up to speed on the stall tactics of our company.

 

Which has been clarified multiple times now after a few of you were on the jump to conclusions mat. I hope to see you again at the next picket.

 

Cool beans bro. I completely misssed the sarcasm in them. Same team.

 

The RLA was designed and created to favor ownership/management.......

 

We probably had the same mediator most recently CP. He is a young guy. We started out with Eva and then something happened and CP took over (i don't know when all that happened). I am not sure who our new mediator is (union told us but not sure where the comm went). They said he's more experienced and will be way better for negotiations. IBT took a victory lap in telling us that they used their DC influence to get us a new mediator - typical teamster bs.

Yea our management doesn't appear to be stalling as much as our union seems to be pushing the brakes on some stuff. basically, management is saying that they cannot agree to significant scheduling rules until the union gives them proposals on scope, compensation, retirement, etc.

Basically, management wants to see the whole enchilada that the union is asking for before they agree to any scheduling rules (our scheduling is broken). Union is saying no way. NC is saying that management has to agree to scheduling rules, etc. before they start talking rates and retirement.

consensus imo on the line is that mommy and daddy are fighting and it is screwing us line pilots because it is distracting us from getting a deal done sooner.

 

I wouldn't say that's the concensus. Most people I fly with see it as the union negotiating in good faith and the company isn't. I wouldn't call that "mommy and daddy" arguing.

 

Nah, in my experience that’s the consensus outside of a handful of folks who you can pretty well typecast.

 

I’m a G4 guy that was answering a question from one of you guys. I’m talking about G4 management and the teamsters fighting like mommy and daddy. Both are dysfunctional. We have had four separate negotiating committees in 2024 alone. We are in emergency trusteeship because our former MEC stole close to a $1m in Union dues.

I’ve spoken with dozen of line pilots and the consensus is that management and union are fighting and getting in petty arguments instead of focusing on a deal.