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Old 02-03-2026 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by LifetimeCFI
You left to United and come back to humble brag about it knowing full well nothing has changed? lol. Thanks.

No contract in 2026.
I think there was honest concern and not dunking on your lack of contract. Easy there Francis
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Old 02-04-2026 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Shrek
I think there was honest concern and not dunking on your lack of contract. Easy there Francis
ya…. Folks that have left have greater concern than active pilots 🙄🙄😟😡
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Old 02-04-2026 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ReserveCA
ya…. Folks that have left have greater concern than active pilots 🙄🙄😟😡
Your lack of unity is shouting from the rafters.
I have MANY friends over at F9 and I have real concern for them and their families.

But we all know how Indigo “negotiates” contracts and this is all part of their playbook. Don’t worry I will walk circles when it’s time - every time regardless of your opinion.
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Old 02-04-2026 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Shrek
Your lack of unity is shouting from the rafters.
I have MANY friends over at F9 and I have real concern for them and their families.

But we all know how Indigo “negotiates” contracts and this is all part of their playbook. Don’t worry I will walk circles when it’s time - every time regardless of your opinion.
With a Q3 loss and Spirit close to going away, I’m sure Indigo isn’t interested in giving raises until they see profit and the end of NK.
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Old 02-05-2026 | 03:22 AM
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The sale/leaseback gravy train is at risk of coming to an end. Frontier has $500M in cash reserve and $5B in debt (much of it leases) and has been steadily losing money. I imagine at this rate Indigo will have a harder and harder time finding banks to take their sale/leaseback deals with Frontier as the lessee. I suspect this is why BB was shown the door.

Cost cutting just ain’t gonna do it anymore. Frontier has to create real, homegrown, sustainable profit. Until then, a new contract is the last thing on their minds. The sale/leaseback money machine needs to be purring along again before we get a contract.
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Old 02-05-2026 | 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by shrsailplanes
The sale/leaseback gravy train is at risk of coming to an end. Frontier has $500M in cash reserve and $5B in debt (much of it leases) and has been steadily losing money. I imagine at this rate Indigo will have a harder and harder time finding banks to take their sale/leaseback deals with Frontier as the lessee. I suspect this is why BB was shown the door.

Cost cutting just ain’t gonna do it anymore. Frontier has to create real, homegrown, sustainable profit. Until then, a new contract is the last thing on their minds. The sale/leaseback money machine needs to be purring along again before we get a contract.
changes are coming, expect a full plan back to profitability on the earnings call next week from JD.
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Old 02-05-2026 | 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by westcoastj
changes are coming, expect a full plan back to profitability on the earnings call next week from JD.
That would be really swell.

personally, I think we can steal legacy customers. If we had a no frills airline, that got you from here to there on time with frequency and had a friendly, effective and helpful customer service experience, I think there’s plenty of folks that would give up a seat on United or Delta to sit in a plastic seat with minimal legroom and no snacks at frontier especially for sub-three hour flights.
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Old 02-05-2026 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by westcoastj
changes are coming, expect a full plan back to profitability on the earnings call next week from JD.
🤣🤣🤪🤣🤣🤣🤪🤣🤣🤣🤪🤣🤣🤣😂😂🥹 thanks I needed that
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Old 02-05-2026 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by shrsailplanes
The sale/leaseback gravy train is at risk of coming to an end. Frontier has $500M in cash reserve and $5B in debt (much of it leases) and has been steadily losing money. I imagine at this rate Indigo will have a harder and harder time finding banks to take their sale/leaseback deals with Frontier as the lessee. I suspect this is why BB was shown the door.

Cost cutting just ain’t gonna do it anymore. Frontier has to create real, homegrown, sustainable profit. Until then, a new contract is the last thing on their minds. The sale/leaseback money machine needs to be purring along again before we get a contract.

The system is rigged. Legacies are banks that happen to fly planes. Unless you’re one of them, it’s going to be almost impossible to make money. Also the problem with the current K shaped economy is ULCC customers are ones that don’t qualify for credit cards or have no disposable income. You can’t make money off of cheapskate’s and stoners, somethings got to give
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Old 02-05-2026 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Shrek
Your lack of unity is shouting from the rafters.
I have MANY friends over at F9 and I have real concern for them and their families.

But we all know how Indigo “negotiates” contracts and this is all part of their playbook. Don’t worry I will walk circles when it’s time - every time regardless of your opinion.
it will never be “time”……. How many yrs has it been? How many MORE years?….
ill be long gone in retirement before ANYTHING budges..
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