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Old 03-07-2026 | 02:36 PM
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Can somebody please tell me that none of this stuff gets implemented until a new CBA is signed?
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Old 03-07-2026 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Powderkeg
The only breakthrough that was made is on the section the COMPANY values most, Section 11. This AIP will lead to significant savings to the company and that’s the only reason they worked with ALPA. Mark my words, their next move will be to put this into an LOA and MM will encourage the reps to approve it. The LECs are fractured but those that kiss MM’s ring will be enough to pass it, despite what their dues paying members want.
Literally the first sentence under sec 11 states. When this contract is ratified. What does this mean to you? I do share your view just not concern.
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Old 03-07-2026 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BagMan
Can somebody please tell me that none of this stuff gets implemented until a new CBA is signed?
That’s the way it works
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Old 03-07-2026 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by CGLimits
That’s the way it works
Thank you for your reply. I had a suspicion ,but some of the previous comments muddied the water.

In that case I have no problem with the agreements on the CBA. Personally I would need to see the proposed CBA as a whole to make any judgment. Inking these agreements gets us all closer to that. In the end this what we all want.
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Old 03-07-2026 | 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BagMan
Thank you for your reply. I had a suspicion ,but some of the previous comments muddied the water.

In that case I have no problem with the agreements on the CBA. Personally I would need to see the proposed CBA as a whole to make any judgment. Inking these agreements gets us all closer to that. In the end this what we all want.
You want to get as many sec TAed as possible. It puts pressure on management assuming you’re making gains. At some point before a cooling off period can begin Alpa will petition for a proffer of arbitration. It could be denied, Crickets, (like last time), or accepted. If accepted, What that means is both sides can agree to let an arbitrator resolve all remaining open sections. Either side can say no to arbitration and now we’re in a 30 day cooling off period. In most circumstances it’s a bad idea to accept arbitration because you lose all control of those remaining sec. It’s not always a bad idea imo. It depends on what you have already TAed and the economics of current contract (compared to industry) and what has been TAed already. Point is it gives you the option to roll the dice on remaining open items. The fewer the better.

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Old 03-08-2026 | 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker
Literally the first sentence under sec 11 states. When this contract is ratified. What does this mean to you? I do share your view just not concern.
My concern is the AIP/TA that would be effective as part of a ratified CBA instead becomes an LOA that is not voted on by membership and negates any willingness the company has to finish the CBA. Listen to the town hall, MM is asked multiple times about a training LOA and he refuses to fully address.
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Old 03-08-2026 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Powderkeg
My concern is the AIP/TA that would be effective as part of a ratified CBA instead becomes an LOA that is not voted on by membership and negates any willingness the company has to finish the CBA. Listen to the town hall, MM is asked multiple times about a training LOA and he refuses to fully address.
Agreed. NO LOAs until a contract.
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Old 03-08-2026 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by dracir1
Agreed. NO LOAs until a contract.

Better prepare yourself for a training LOA. I’d put good money on it that there will be one before a contract is put together for a vote.
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Old 03-08-2026 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by av8nallday
Better prepare yourself for a training LOA. I’d put good money on it that there will be one before a contract is put together for a vote.
what would the training LOA consider? Are we talking about AQP ?
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Old 03-08-2026 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by av8nallday
Better prepare yourself for a training LOA. I’d put good money on it that there will be one before a contract is put together for a vote.
Supposedly the company can implement AQP without a LOA. This is new information to me but sounds like it's true.
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