How long for a contract?
03-08-2026 | 11:16 AM
#2361
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They may be able to implement it but they can’t change where they train at. That is what I’m referring to. Where training is done would require an LOA. I’m not familiar with being able to just go to AQP but that would make the most sense why would we be able to hold that over the companies head? It’s the ability to schedule people in Denver and Orlando. What no one talks about is all the Orlando based people who may not live in Orlando. Im sure the company isn’t going to be getting hotels for them. That would absolutely suck for said people. Imagine driving the I-4 to training from Tampa twice a day for a 6 hour event. If that’s not your cup of tea then you’re paying for hotels which is now a cost passed to the pilot. It’s garbage
03-08-2026 | 12:06 PM
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They may be able to implement it but they can’t change where they train at. That is what I’m referring to. Where training is done would require an LOA. I’m not familiar with being able to just go to AQP but that would make the most sense why would we be able to hold that over the companies head? It’s the ability to schedule people in Denver and Orlando. What no one talks about is all the Orlando based people who may not live in Orlando. Im sure the company isn’t going to be getting hotels for them. That would absolutely suck for said people. Imagine driving the I-4 to training from Tampa twice a day for a 6 hour event. If that’s not your cup of tea then you’re paying for hotels which is now a cost passed to the pilot. It’s garbage
I would prefer opening more domicile training. Not locking it into den. Do you think Phx and las want 2 hrs credit a day 4 times annually? It creates bad schedules twice a year. I’ll take the 4.5 and get a hotel. It’s more money with not much hit to a schedule.
You could always bid tpa and force the dh. They’ll have to get you a hotel but let us know what that does to your schedule/paycheck.
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03-08-2026 | 12:48 PM
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Does any airline pay hotels for training in a domicile? The only problem I see here is doing a LOA before a ta. There’s gains in the language.
I would prefer opening more domicile training. Not locking it into den. Do you think Phx and las want 2 hrs credit a day 4 times annually? It creates bad schedules twice a year. I’ll take the 4.5 and get a hotel. It’s more money with not much hit to a schedule.
You could always bid tpa and force the dh. They’ll have to get you a hotel but let us know what that does to your schedule/paycheck.
I would prefer opening more domicile training. Not locking it into den. Do you think Phx and las want 2 hrs credit a day 4 times annually? It creates bad schedules twice a year. I’ll take the 4.5 and get a hotel. It’s more money with not much hit to a schedule.
You could always bid tpa and force the dh. They’ll have to get you a hotel but let us know what that does to your schedule/paycheck.
the nonsense will make the proper adjustments or seek better opportunities.
03-08-2026 | 12:54 PM
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I agree with your point but some airlines that have campus’ actually let you get a room in the hotel they have if you’re more than 50 miles away. But hey doesn’t matter those that don’t want to be here for
the nonsense will make the proper adjustments or seek better opportunities.
the nonsense will make the proper adjustments or seek better opportunities.
03-08-2026 | 01:13 PM
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I would be onboard with obtaining that language. I believe we have some for irregular ops but expanding that to something others have would make sense as long as it’s not just one outlier agreement. I did see the greater than 49 mile number on the surface dh. So that helps lock in a number for other sections. I don’t believe we have one now so that’s always helpful when dealing with this management.
If we got it for DHs then I don’t see why we can’t get it for training. I hope there’s some sort of carve out
03-08-2026 | 03:16 PM
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Not sure about that. Years ago the company wanted an LOA to replace the PC oral with a written test. ALPA squashed it. AQP also requires an LOA AFAIK so it would stand to reason the union would have to sign it.
03-08-2026 | 06:01 PM
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ANYTHING WE DO for the company pays min 5 hours a day. Each DH to training. Each reserve day. Each sim. Recurrent day. Everything (other than a trip or CBT) pays 5.
03-08-2026 | 06:44 PM
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5 hour credit min day. Period
03-09-2026 | 06:04 AM
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This automatically makes reserves have slighty more days off as well, which is much needed.... 12 days off no matter what is ridiculous in 2026.
03-09-2026 | 09:37 AM
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Ridiculous is an understatement. Let's do 5 hour min everything equating to 15 days of RSV, no more 10 hr 3 days etc, and fixes training pay bs just to start for a AQP LOA.
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