mic drop from AI? Hardly

 

itz more interesting that he needed AI to tell him f9 and delta have different different profit margins, revenue, and market positions. Like no **** Sherlock. We also have different crew bases too. Did you need AI to point that out to you as well? Hats vs no hats?

 

You deserve what you can negotiate.

 

I wonder if AI considers the fact that Frontier markets (or at least used to market) itself to pilots as a career airline. In fact, back in the Thibodeaux days, the CP would fire FOs on the spot for submitting a 2 weeks notice within a year.

 

You already know how you're voting? I guess that's a "zero information voter"?

Hopefully that's not what you meant

 

vote NO on the first offer. And I’m not even being sarcastic.

 

I don’t understand the logic of this. There is an opportunity cost associated with that. They won’t turn around a new deal immediately. Vote no if you think its a bad deal. But if its reasonable, at least consider it. Every day that goes by is money we lose. Don’t prolong that unnecessarily.

 

Vote on the contract based on the contract, not a cute little phrase.

This isn't buying a used car.

Voting no just to vote no could end up costing us a lot of money. Stupid

 

yeah well getting paid below market rates for the 5+ years of the contract’s life will be losing money too.

No profit sharing is losing money too.

No overrides will be losing money too.

No retro checks will be losing money too.

No snap ups will be losing money too.

Theres all sorts of ways you’ve been losing money and will continue to lose money.

im not really sure where you’re going with this.

you say “reasonable”, I’m not really sure what reasonable is. Two years ago, at the start of negotiations, reasonable had a very different connotation than “contract 2030”. Two years ago reaonable might have been JetBlue rates. Contract 2030 you think JB rates would be reasonable? F U if you think the answer to that question is yes.

Legacies start negotiations in 26.
Two contract cycles behind, years of money lost to inflation unable to be invested. You got idiots on here screaming out of both sides of their mouths that we aren’t going to be paid industry rates, but we’re not going to see a contract until god knows when.

so why are we taking about reasonable? Reason has gone dude. Your union is saying the company doesn’t negotiate in good faith. Reason has left the conversation. You probably have more to gain by not taking the first offer.

 

All I said is its silly to say vote no to the first offer reflexively, no matter what. So why is that deserving of an FU? I didn’t say vote in a pile of crap. I didn’t say settle for a bunch less. I didn’t say vote yes to the first thing either. I'm simply pointing out we have a massive number of pilots that have never been through negotiations and rather than give over-simplistic advice, we should think critically enough to decide if its a good deal or not. And all that money that you rightly point out we lose every day will continue to be lost as we try for round 2 or 3 or whatever. Thats all. It may be worth the fight and a no vote, Im just saying we have to be intelligent and fight hard and not use blanket statements.