Evaluating OT during negotiations is a non-starter. And since one of the prevailing issues at F9 is that we spend half (if not more) of our time in negotiations, it's almost safe to say that our flying hours (and lack of OT) is the norm. So, people horde it. It's only human nature.

And, given that nature, it's virtually impossible to get 100% participation in a "worthy" cause. Even if we had 99% of the pilots NOT pick up OT (which we don't have), that's still 20 pilots that will. And those 20 would be enough. And even suggesting this is actually against the law. Hell, we have people who have computer programs that do it for them.

My stance has always been it's pointless to try and call anyone out here. Let's just play the process out the strike if/when we can. If we end up not being able to, then I suspect that will be the end of F9 as most people would just leave.

In the end, there is a balancing act that will happen one way or another.

 

That’s a huge vacancy bid.

 

Is there an “up or out“ policy at frontier with regard to upgrade?

 

No.

Filler.

 

does anyone even have that anymore? I believe American did but that was probably like 20 years ago if you want to be a career FO so be it

 

With these pay rates, I need to move up or out. lol

 

Skywest was recently doing it

 

With our current pay rates that’s basically our peer.

A Skywest pilot recently told my they weren’t going to make a lateral move to Frontier.

I mean. They aren’t that wrong 😅

This airline is an embarrassment to the industry

 

Yeah, almost. Sad.

Really the only big thing we've got better than them is the 15% DC funding

 

…… the A320 type rating that is a way of getting on with a Legacy quickly after training or portable worldwide if they want to try their luck with the contract world.

……. another plus is no longer being required to sport their SkyWest moustache - lol