Jetalc

Let me guess - you are one of the "counselors?" Just curious. Not an emotional post, just find it funny that whenever the airlines start hiring, "prep companies" start popping up like pimples on a 17-year-old's face, hoping to make a quick buck. Simply being hired at an airline doesn't make one an expert on getting hired there. I really tried to find "Scott"'s profile or qualifications on his website, and couldn't. Kit Darby did the same thing (and made big bucks), a jumpseater told me another company in Seattle (I think they're Alaska pilots) did it as well, and I just have to wonder.

As far as my "motif" (I assume you mean motivation)...What is it about a job fair that would possibly cost $119? Based on your response, I have to wonder what it is you are defending and why? I don't have a horse in this race, but I have seen the cycles over and over - the job fair thing is one that sticks in my craw as being one thing that has completely exploited wishful job-seekers by bending them over price-wise. No real emotion, just shaking my head as to what makes some of these people "experts", and the ruse is that they are "doing us all a favor" by holding expensive job fairs while raking in the bucks. That's all - no big deal, just wondering what motivates these people other than money. I'm not looking for a job - got one, thank you.

labbats

Agreed.

If they refund your money if you don't get hired then fine, but if not then it's a money grab.

Job fairs must have the highest profit margins of any industry right now.

sulkair

So from a company's perspective what's the main point to these job-fairs? Simply the ability to screen out undesirables before they get invited to the interview?

Is there anything to be deciphered wrt to it's location? FLL? Or is that just random?

OpenClimb

If this is the way the guy acts in an interview, what's the chance he'll be hired away by a legacy anytime soon?

Historically, part of what makes the pilot group vulnerable to the tactics of management is that there's a certain percentage of the seniority list who are stuck at Frontier for one reason or another. They've tried to go to a legacy and they were repeatedly rejected or they don't bother trying because they've got skeletons.

Up until the most recent expansion, folks could rationalize coming to or staying with Frontier because they live in the Denver area and would rather not commute.

I think we're running out of legitimate reasons why anyone would come here in the first place let alone plan on staying until retirement. Management wants the best of both worlds. They want to staff the airline with sub-par terms of employment, yet avoid attrition by finding people who won't be able to leave or [for whatever reason] won't want to leave.

sulkair

Makes sense - AND conversely, at a defined point a pilot becomes more expensive to keep than to replace. So the idea that they want people who will never leave cannot be true either.

If a pilot leaves before day X, or stays past day X - he's more expensive than he needs to be.

If you really want to think conspiracy theory - I would say selection is masterminded to achieve a pilot group that is split between young millennials who they expect will eventually leave, but not so soon as to represent a loss on investment ( these guys will never be invested enough to rock the boat ) and senior fat dumb and happys that don't dare rock the boat (too much invested) ... thereby ensuring there will never be any dangerously concerted unity/effort in the group to achieve real gains.

Please. I promise no offense intended vis-à-vis fat dumb and happy. Using the language only to make a point.

Jetalc

LOL - I fit the above, for sure. Except the previously mentioned "senior" part!

Jetalc

Hard to disagree with that, Labatts...on the other hand, there are too many variables I would think with interviewing to give refunds, just because someone didn't do what the prep company advised them to do. It's interesting that EC advertises the refund thing - last I checked there weren't that many companies that actually had a "phase two" interview, whatever that is. I wonder how difficult it really is to get the money back? Sounds like a great deal, but the devil is in the details, I would imagine.

Little kitten

Next rounds of interviews anybody?

Jughead135

I have not pressed-to-test on EC's refund (indeed, I'm happy to be ineligible for it!), but as a very satisfied customer having been through Albie's seminar twice--I wouldn't expect it to be difficult at all. He addressed this exact question as part of the introduction at the seminar. Their most important stock in trade, at least equal to if not more so than their clients' success at their interviews, is their reputation. They sully that reputation (how long would it take for "I couldn't get a refund!!" to make it all over APC?) and they've significantly reduced their value to prospective clients. Totally spitballing a number here, but I'd suspect that a single complaint like that would cost them 10x or more in lost prospects. From simple financial incentive alone, making good on refunds is in their best interest.

Three things made me choose Emerald Coast over their competitors: their reputation; their "once a client, always a client" approach (which I used); and their money-back guarantee (not used, but I always like a company standing behind its product). I recommend them to anyone looking for prep, based on my own experience. That said, I have not heard a single negative thing about AeroCrew or any of the others out there; and, if one is being specific to F9, I imagine Lori Clarke's service would be hard to beat. I can tell you that I was very glad to have had the prep done prior to my interviews....

Good luck to all the hopefuls.

TenYearsGone

They would never hire me to be a counselor . A quick peek at your past posts on APC show me that you favor Lori Clark. In fact, you have blasted many companies in the past that offer services to better candidates. Just like Lori Clark ,they charge money for a service. Do you not believe in Capitalism? I think Lori does.

Again, I have no loyalty to any company. I think investing a couple hundred bucks to get on with a great carrier is wise. I also believe that these events that introduce recruiters to applicants are essential to put a face to a resume.

PS, I have heard Lori's prep is good, but so are the other companies.


TEN