That's exactly right.

 

I'll take SWA's new TA. For those thinking that's unrealistic for us to shoot for then you have already lost the fight.

 

+1000

I hope our NC adjusts their ask appropriately since "current economic conditions" have changed

 

With all due respect, I will disagree. As part of the ACP interview one of the questions is how your interpretation of the contract will change if you get the position. You can't get that job without selling your soul. That isn't melodrama, that is a fact. He has already shown that to be the case with his responses to some recent grievances. Fly and grieve. He didn't want to sit reserve in ORD and commute, so he sold out. Just like Aaron who doesn't have a medical and wants to keep getting paid and JP who has a Napoleon complex that would make Napoleon blush. Fair was our last great CP, Craig did a good job, but other than that, I haven't been impressed.
In the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter. Stay unified, back up the NC save your money. This management group are the dregs of humanity. They don't give a **** about you, and wouldn't **** on your burning children if it meant a couple extra bucks in their pockets. Don't get caught up in the BS, do your job, NO MORE, no less, and let the process work for us. WN just inked a monster AIP, Delta and Hawaiian will hopefully be soon to follow. Alaska will have a JBCA, UAL will snap up to Delta, the pattern is in our favor, but Franke etal won't give us a dime without the fight of a lifetime. So I will say it again, SAVE YOUR MONEY, get a strike fund started and let the process work!

 

Have one interaction with him and I will promise you'll feel differently. The guy is a douche. Deny any possible quarrel now and encourage a grievance....he's a mgmt dream. Bobbing for apples at the state fair and we came up with an ASS CP.

 

I was told for my interview it was a 2 year upgrade. Sounds a little too good to be true. Starting pay is pretty low, hopefully a new TA comes soon. Thanks

 

Yeah, I don't why they're still telling people that. I'll hit the 2-year mark in a few months and am nowhere near upgrade.

 

Had 2 interactions with him and couldn't disagree more. Was decent and fair. Of course past performance is not a guarantee of future results...

 

That does sound a bit too good to be true. We did have a small batch of guys upgrade right about the 2 year mark, but then we stopped running upgrades for a while. Maybe 5 or 6 months. It looks like upgrade classes are starting up again, and with 80+ airplanes coming in 5 years, I expect the upgrade classes to keep going.

We currently have 57 airplanes and 1000 pilots (roughly). The fleet plan is for 120 airplanes and about 2000 pilots. I believe the currently most junior captain is about 650-675 on the seniority list. Predicting upgrades times is really hard if things don't change and they go exactly as planned. My guess is if you were hired today, you could upgrade in 3.5 years. Or approximately the time we get a new contract

 

Just curious... what IS ur guesstimate of potential upgrade time? "Nowhere near" = months? years?? Considering options IF I get an interview & ORD domicle. Thanks.