Haven't heard anything about DEN shrinking. Right now it can't grow either but I wouldn't expect much change there. To the best of my knowledge new hires are holding Denver out of training. If you want MCO expect it to take a VSA bid or two, ORD a few of them. If we're bought out it'll depend on who bought who and what the existing route structures are, too many variables to tell.

I don't regret my move. I left a regional, I'm happier here but I realize how much work we have ahead of us to get a competitive CBA so keep that in mind.

 

Why can't DEN grow? Sounds like you're at least saying it doesn't look like DEN is going Anywhere?

 

Lack of gate availability. We gave up a few gates earlier this year and everything else is pretty full. I've not heard of DEN going anyplace, it is still our largest domicile by quite a bit.

 

What made F9 attractive to leave your regional?

 

Regionals have mastered the small farm animal treatment of pilots. I never enjoyed that.

Do your homework and decide if F9 is right for Y-O-U. Ignore the drama and focus on the facts.

 

Like SpankysLadder said, I grew very tired of the regional treatment over several years. Frontier, while far from perfect offered a chance to get out of that rat race and potentially settle down for the long haul.

Like others, including myself, have stated, our overall compensation package lags behind other Airbus operators in just about every section. That isn't news to anyone on the seniority list here but anyone with some foresight knows it will improve. Only you can tell if you can make this place work or not. We have a great pilot group, the flying is, for the most part, easy and there is a lot of potential here. Ignore the trolls. If you decide to pull the trigger just be ready to stand with us while we go through the bargaining process. There are a few of us here that will try and give you no b.s. answers to your questions, so fire away.

 

What makes Frontier great is their people. This place is like one big family, and I mean that when I say it! I love this place, to each his own. People can throw rocks and sticks all they want, I'm happy and that's all that matters!!

 

With pilots like this, who needs a new cba.

 

Me.

The people are great I will agree. But, there comes a point where lack of compensation in spite of record profits becomes lack of respect. I didn't come to F9 for the money but I'm also not masochistic. I knew what the pay scale was when I accepted but this industry is a giant game of leap frog. Sooner or later, it will be our turn or drastic measures (like a strike) will occur.

If that's what it takes, then I am more than willing and ready. I think most other pilots here, as nice as they are described above, are as well.

I will tell you that the culture of the people whom you would work with as a pilot is friendly. The culture of the company is that ALL of its employees are resources and cost them money - anything they can do to cut costs is completely acceptable to them.

Keep that in mind when deciding . . .

BL - if you're looking to get paid out of this, I'd stay wherever I was (if fairly senior) and wait for a legacy. If you're not into being on reserve for years, kinda like the company of others and can strike up a conversation about something other than the contract or management and can afford to wait a year or 3 to get paid better, then consider it.

 

This is exactly why I'm embarrassed to work at frontier. I hope you are trolling.