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Old 01-19-2017 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Patternholder
Well....I have been paying attention! We have been in negotiations for almost a year and we are now just coming to agreements on the "low hanging fruit"? Good news is our next meeting is 6 weeks away. Perhaps we can come to some agreements on Seniority and management displacements! At this pace 2020 looks like a realistic timeline for us to wrap this up.
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Old 01-19-2017 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by motorboatin
Your post tells me that you don't pay much attn or just like to complain. If you read the newsletter again, you'll clearly see they mentioned Crew Trac, deadhead seating and city pair modification, buffers, and parking. I personally think that's a pretty large chunk for two days, and if you've been paying attention to anything else they've mentioned along the way, you'd understand the strategy (small items/large items) Be mindful that if you're spreading bad info, you're part of the problem and not part of the solution.
You are so out of line. After a year of negotiations and possibly the worst company opener in the history of our segment of the industry, we are still covering items that have zero cost to F9. I deadhead a lot and have never once been forced to sit in a middle seat mostly because the good seats cost extra and our pax are on a budget. How many Frontier commuters have you left behind in your time here? I can't think of a single one in almost three years. Parking? Parking! Wow I'm sure that will be groundbreaking. I try to stay positive but please don't come on here and disparage others for their dismay at the lack of progress we've seen over the last year. It's going to take a strike or the imminent threat of one to move the needle in any meaningful way. Always has and always will.
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Old 01-19-2017 | 09:02 AM
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I currently pay $600 a year out of pocket for parking. 100% not reimbursed by the company, and can't get parking at an airport that id like to commute out of, because the company refuses to do the paperwork. Parking is a big issue for me personally. I can't always itemize and 600 bucks is 600 bucks.

Personally I was glad to see parking issues were being addressed. I'll bet we are getting closer to about 50% of our pilot group being commuters, so yeah it's an important issue. No offense intended.
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Old 01-19-2017 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by AncientAliens
It's going to take a strike or the imminent threat of one to move the needle in any meaningful way. Always has and always will.
I agree. I wish that wasn't the case. But when you look at Indigos previous negotiations with Spirit, I think we can go ahead and expect a long drawn out fight.

Unless the union pushes a sub-par contract in hopes of getting it done sooner. Which I have to admit that I'm a little concerned about.
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Old 01-19-2017 | 04:44 PM
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This is nothing new in this industry gang. It's been going on since the start of the airline industry.

How long did UPS just negotiate for their new contract? I think it was around 7 years.
SWA just wrapped up 4 years of negotiations.

Unfortunately that's the game. Get used to it. Be prepared to see it through.
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Old 01-19-2017 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by sab1250
I currently pay $600 a year out of pocket for parking. 100% not reimbursed by the company, and can't get parking at an airport that id like to commute out of, because the company refuses to do the paperwork. Parking is a big issue for me personally. I can't always itemize and 600 bucks is 600 bucks.

Personally I was glad to see parking issues were being addressed. I'll bet we are getting closer to about 50% of our pilot group being commuters, so yeah it's an important issue. No offense intended.
I'm not sure but do other airlines pay for parking out of base?
My buddy at AA pays for his parking at the base he commutes out of also.
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Old 01-19-2017 | 05:41 PM
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Hate to redirect the thread... But I have a couple questions for you all. Starting at F9 soon and I was wondering if anyone had an example of a 4 day schedule they could show me? Also, I feel like I know the answer to this but do we get any allotment of buddy passes? Thank you in advance!
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Old 01-19-2017 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperAerobat
Hate to redirect the thread... But I have a couple questions for you all. Starting at F9 soon and I was wondering if anyone had an example of a 4 day schedule they could show me? Also, I feel like I know the answer to this but do we get any allotment of buddy passes? Thank you in advance!
Most of the four days for the junior folks are red-eye pairings worth about 19 hours + or - a few hours. Usually start with a red eye to Florida.....23 hour layover.....flip the body clock.....and then do earlies for a couple days. Some times you will do multiple red eyes in the same pairing. Red eye Florida......12 hours rest back to Vegas....24 hours... then red eye east again.

I think we get 28 buddy passes a year. Generally it is cheaper just to buy a ticket!
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Old 01-19-2017 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Patternholder
Most of the four days for the junior folks are red-eye pairings worth about 19 hours + or - a few hours. Usually start with a red eye to Florida.....23 hour layover.....flip the body clock.....and then do earlies for a couple days. Some times you will do multiple red eyes in the same pairing. Red eye Florida......12 hours rest back to Vegas....24 hours... then red eye east again.

I think we get 28 buddy passes a year. Generally it is cheaper just to buy a ticket!
Sincerely appreciate the help! Looking forward to getting started!
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Old 01-19-2017 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by NWSteeringArmer
About to lap us...?!?!
Do I need to explain? We are easily a cycle/lap behind in terms of pay rates and contract. Now that almost everyone is on a new (ish) contract and we are just getting started with no end in sight that isn't 2-4 years away, we'll be ratifying some junk that'll be (in some cases) 2-3 cycles behind industry standard. I call that getting lapped.

"Agreeing" to DH language after over 6 months and admitting that paying for parking in multiple bases might be beyond the admistrative power of our company tells me a lot. Quibbling over parking money for pilots represents a fantastic distraction and time waster. Meanwhile you could be a 3 year FO at a legacy making as much as a 20 year CA at frontier. Keep wearing those hats and cleaning seat backs!
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