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Old 02-23-2017 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by PulledBreaker
MCO is currently 3-4 months from IOE to holding a relief line.
Except MCO is 3+ months past IOE to even hold as a domicile.
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Old 02-23-2017 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Navmode
Except MCO is 3+ months past IOE to even hold as a domicile.
Ya, sorry I should have phrased that differently. Guys who came off IOE 3-4 months ago are currently holding relief lines. Hard lines are right at a year after DOH. As the base matures, that will likely go up just like ORD.

That is, unless they announce another pilot base this fall...
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Old 02-24-2017 | 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Papa Bear
Who in their right mind in this time in aviation would go anywhere with a training contract . Unreal
Any FO at any regional where upgrade is at least two years away.
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Old 02-24-2017 | 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by LakeshoreFlyer
Any FO at any regional where upgrade is at least two years away.
Exactly. People on this thread seem to forget that 50% of the RJ guys in this country are FOs and make less than 50 bucks and hour, and a lot of them are not anywhere close to an upgrade. For them, and there are thousands of them, Frontier makes sense.
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Old 02-24-2017 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by cloudwarrior


no sh!t bro, wish they would fizzle out like a bad fart.

They seem to be going after a few folks who they claim to owe $$.

The 'leverage' they 'had' to get the 'fee's' 'they' claimed we owed them, was - our jobs... was when they were our Appointed/Forced/Under Duress/Ploting Against Us/Supposed to but Not Representing us / non-representation entity. The contract supported them - --->While they were the NMB MANDATED Reps.
That ship has sailed..... Bye, bye,.......
Everyone on property, (as of the sale to Indigo), is a member in Good standing, in the union, once represented by FAPA, now by ALPA.

turdsters had a chance to attempt to Extort fees when they were here; by having pilots fired for fee's; but they are not the rep body Now. They are nobody. They have nothing signed by anyone, saying they will pay anything. They have NOTHING.
Sorry for the rant, I apologize to all, just these assturds **** me off.
History 101.
We got eonough to deal with EVERYDAY, forget these Assclowns.
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Agree with your post completely. I'm one of the ones who decided not to "sell out" and settle. These guys have no case, and I've decided to climb in with the group taking it to court. The Turdsters have no idea who owes what - the amount I supposedly owe has severely changed over the years, even though I was paying regularly. Accounting idiots they are. I would love to see what "proof" they have that I owe a penny. Opportunistic and inept - it's what they do best.
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Old 02-24-2017 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Kestrel
Hey guys, just wanted to shed some light on the question about the enforcement of a employment bond, or "training contract".

In Colorado, they ARE enforceable- as they are in most states- as long as the term is no more than two years, and the amount is a reasonable and realistic amount for recuperation. (See my reference below).

The employer might not pursue the collection, or might turn it over to a collection center. But the law would be on their side. I wish it wasn't so

https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/sit...-113%20CRS.pdf
I appreciate your summary, but when a contract is signed under duress, the courts don't look favorably on the party presenting the contract. What is the timing of the signing of the contract? Just an idea...
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Old 02-24-2017 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Jetalc
I appreciate your summary, but when a contract is signed under duress, the courts don't look favorably on the party presenting the contract. What is the timing of the signing of the contract? Just an idea...
Exactly. Day one of ground school they say sign this or you're fired.
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Old 02-24-2017 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by OHPilot213
Exactly. Day one of ground school they say sign this or you're fired.
Don't they disclose this before you accept employment at Frontier? If so, I would say the "signed under duress" argument doesnt hold water. Plan on paying what you owe if you leave before the terms of the agreement.
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Old 02-24-2017 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Patternholder
Don't they disclose this before you accept employment at Frontier? If so, I would say the "signed under duress" argument doesnt hold water. Plan on paying what you owe if you leave before the terms of the agreement.
There is a difference between saying you're "ok" with something in principle and actually signing a legal agreement in writing. Are people actually being provided a copy of the contract with sufficient time to read it or consult with their legal counsel? How can you say you are ok with something that you've never actually seen? I see both sides of the argument, and if I got hired at a legacy from f9 after signing an agreement I would probably just pony up and pay it because it was my word. I know it sounds cliche, but I have a good friend who is a lawyer that specializes in labor issues and he tells me that he has worked numerous cases with these types of things and that they are almost always thrown out in court due to duress issues. I guess whether you want to play that game would be your call.
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Old 02-24-2017 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Patternholder
Don't they disclose this before you accept employment at Frontier? If so, I would say the "signed under duress" argument doesnt hold water. Plan on paying what you owe if you leave before the terms of the agreement.
I was presented with the agreement or contract 2 weeks before ever stepping foot on Frontier soil. I did not see any day one sign it or your fired in my class. Lol
Maybe that was just my class, but just saying.
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