I hope you're trolling or are just a management lackey. I've filed five grievances in my few years here each of which were balatant black and white violations of my employment contract. If F9 refuses to respect the requirements of the contract why should any new hire feel the need to keep up their end of the bargain. In such a scenario said contract becomes null and void.

Regarding the enforceability of the training contract it depends on which state you live in and how determined the company is to spend resources to go after you. Generally companies realize it's not worth the effort given the uncertain outcome in court. That being said the new scam in the netherworld of the aviation industry is to get you to sign a promissory note which is nearly impossible to get out of in lieu of a training contract.

 

Yeah from what I understand most airlines that have training agreements or contracts just send the note to collections, which crushes your credit, instead of taking the pilot to court

 

I believe the first class to sign the 23K training bond was (on or about) January 2016. So if any of the aforementioned pilots who left for greener pastures had more than about a year of seniority at The Animal, this issue hasn't come up yet and there wouldn't be any precedent as to how the Company may or may not pursue.

I know this is a different issue, but curious. What happened to the Frontier pilots who were in arrears with The Teamsters during the Dark Days? Did the Teamsters sue, send to collections, or otherwise?

 

I remember seeing some comments from those in the Denver area with unpaid dues to the Teamsters. I think those people received a summons after IBT sold the debt and the collector filed in a CO court.

 

No, IBT did not sell to a collection agency. IBT's finest lawyers are pursuing this in court. Some of us have chosen to fight it, some have simply paid (depending on how much they owe), and some have been successful avoiding being served. The stink won't go away.

 

no sh!t bro, wish they would fizzle out like a bad fart.

They seem to be going after a few folks who they claim to owe $$.

The 'leverage' they 'had' to get the 'fee's' 'they' claimed we owed them, was - our jobs... was when they were our Appointed/Forced/Under Duress/Ploting Against Us/Supposed to but Not Representing us / non-representation entity. The contract supported them - --->While they were the NMB MANDATED Reps.
That ship has sailed..... Bye, bye,.......
Everyone on property, (as of the sale to Indigo), is a member in Good standing, in the union, once represented by FAPA, now by ALPA.

turdsters had a chance to attempt to Extort fees when they were here; by having pilots fired for fee's; but they are not the rep body Now. They are nobody. They have nothing signed by anyone, saying they will pay anything. They have NOTHING.
Sorry for the rant, I apologize to all, just these assturds **** me off.
History 101.
We got eonough to deal with EVERYDAY, forget these Assclowns.
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Well here's what people tend to miss within this process; The debt collection process, they will work this, and it's cheep for them! Any given company will work collections, etc, and the credit effect first before court proceedings if they give a sh.t., and mean it.

I'm speaking form expericence here with this; I moved on to an LLC with part of my training contract left. I had set aside the money to pay it back, but wasn't going to hand the money over without them asking for it. Well, got the certified letter in the mail within a year along with the demand, and the process to follow if not paid; Collections, and then court. I wrote the check, and sent it in. Once it was cashed they called me to thank me, and I replied what for?? (Company), "For paying us back". Some small talk occurred, and this is not the common route buy others before me..

In the end, it wasn't worth wreaking or risking my credit, and it was a commitment that I gave. I'm not trying to bash the guy's and gal's wishing to breaking them! I think there's a time and place for everything to happen. Looking back I'm really glad I made the move; QOL, pay, etc...

Wish you Frontier guys and gals the best, and good hunting with that contract.

Lunch Box

 

Hey guys, just wanted to shed some light on the question about the enforcement of a employment bond, or "training contract".

In Colorado, they ARE enforceable- as they are in most states- as long as the term is no more than two years, and the amount is a reasonable and realistic amount for recuperation. (See my reference below).

The employer might not pursue the collection, or might turn it over to a collection center. But the law would be on their side. I wish it wasn't so

https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/sit...-113%20CRS.pdf

 

My hat is off to you for doing the right thing, I totally understand your reasons for just paying it.
I guess what I don't understand is the guys worrying to pay it back? You signed it, and knew what you were singing. I understand if you get a offer from Delta or whoever before the 2 years is up. Move on then, but you won't have any trouble paying it back. I would reconsider the thought of coming to Frontier if you have a problem with the contract. Also, at the end of the day I doubt they would want you here anyways. I understood what I signed, and I will abide by it.

I think people need to put it in perspective. If you owned your own personal business big or small, and put an employee through a month of training that cost you 7000 you would not wanna see him or her leave in 2 months. You would want your money, cause now it's cost you 14,000 dollars to put another through. To mean it's common sense, maybe I'm old and understand values who knows. Or maybe it's because I'm a business owner. You sign it, you pay it. Black and white.....

 

Neither of which F9 is asking new hires to sign. It's titled an "agreement". Not a contract, and not a bond. I'd recommend that new hires have an attorney spend 30 minutes going over it with you before you show up to class.