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03-31-2017, 08:09 AM
#7571
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Originally Posted by Amike
All this talk of strike - what happens to first year FOs on probation? I'm guessing they participate, get fired, and then the union would renegotiate their rehiring upon what, end of strike or new contract? And how does that look in the future as far as the "have you ever been terminated" questions?
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03-31-2017, 08:16 AM
#7572
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Originally Posted by Bolo
Seriously? You are exactly the person that we don't want! Try reading a little bit. There is plenty on this board for you to digest.
03-31-2017, 08:32 AM
#7574
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Originally Posted by dracir1
And, hopefully, the mediator will get us released and we can strike. The company will lose millions and be forced to come to the table. And then, our union can present industry leading wages and work rules and we get something more to our liking.
I don't see anything else helping us. This is what it's going to take. All this other nonsense about lanyards and info strikes (while important for us as a group as well as public perception) mean very little to the company.
So, I will participate in anything and everything my union suggests to the max extent but don't have a hope of any of that having any bearing on the company whatsoever. I will do my job to the letter of the contract and that's it. I will file grievances if needed and I will not answer any company calls. I will pick up open time only if it serves my own personal purpose (which is usually a trade for a higher credit or a trip in different days). But most importantly, I will sit back and wait for the strike time to occur and not bicker about other people actions and opinions regardless of how silly they may be to me. I truly believe the majority of people here all agree with me about our wages, etc and will vote accordingly.
And I think if you're an F9 pilot, you should too.
I don't see anything else helping us. This is what it's going to take. All this other nonsense about lanyards and info strikes (while important for us as a group as well as public perception) mean very little to the company.
So, I will participate in anything and everything my union suggests to the max extent but don't have a hope of any of that having any bearing on the company whatsoever. I will do my job to the letter of the contract and that's it. I will file grievances if needed and I will not answer any company calls. I will pick up open time only if it serves my own personal purpose (which is usually a trade for a higher credit or a trip in different days). But most importantly, I will sit back and wait for the strike time to occur and not bicker about other people actions and opinions regardless of how silly they may be to me. I truly believe the majority of people here all agree with me about our wages, etc and will vote accordingly.
And I think if you're an F9 pilot, you should too.
A part of our pilot group doesn't believe in lanyards and informational pickets, they think it is a placebo effect, but that is ok. You don't have to believe in magic, just show up to the magic show. ALPA doesn't have their pilot groups perform these acts for their own amusement, it is all part of an overall strategy to unify our group; we need you to wear the lanyard, we need you to show up for the informational picket.
From my memory, Delta, Southwest, and Hawaiian are three pilot groups that PARTICIPATED in informational pickets, lanyards, votes of no confidence, etc. All three recently signed competitive industry standard (above industry average) contracts.
We're in an aggressive mediation schedule with a favorable mediator in a very favorable airline business environment. Every pilot group is fighting for and receiving better contracts. I saw just this morning that AAL has reached out to APA to start a conversation about mid-contract pay raises (W T F, over?). If you want to say you had part in the contract we will vote on, the time to participate is NOW. Stay engaged by reading the emails, wearing the lanyard, showing up to the picket, and volunteering where you see a need or when our ALPA reps ask. This last bit of negotiations could go fast, don't miss the boat!
03-31-2017, 08:41 AM
#7575
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Originally Posted by Amike
All this talk of strike - what happens to first year FOs on probation? I'm guessing they participate, get fired, and then the union would renegotiate their rehiring upon what, end of strike or new contract? And how does that look in the future as far as the "have you ever been terminated" questions?
03-31-2017, 09:00 AM
#7577
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Originally Posted by Powderkeg
I've had the same concern but I know ALPA doesn't want to have to explain leaving brothers behind. And if the contract the NC is fighting for is worth striking over I am hopeful I won't be having to answer the termination question anywhere else because I'll want to stay.
03-31-2017, 09:03 AM
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Not getting political here - just a question.
There are only two current board members on the NMB, one Rep, one Dem (right?) Trump will appoint another who will undoubtedly be republican.(right?)
Should we be at all concerned that a majority republican NMB would not release us?
Although - I did read on Wikipedia the longest standing member of the board, Harry Hoglander was a pilot at TWA, and MEC chairman at one point, as well as an officer at ALPA national. If he is the republican on there now (appointed in 2002), I'd say his credentials trump his party. So that bodes well.
There are only two current board members on the NMB, one Rep, one Dem (right?) Trump will appoint another who will undoubtedly be republican.(right?)
Should we be at all concerned that a majority republican NMB would not release us?
Although - I did read on Wikipedia the longest standing member of the board, Harry Hoglander was a pilot at TWA, and MEC chairman at one point, as well as an officer at ALPA national. If he is the republican on there now (appointed in 2002), I'd say his credentials trump his party. So that bodes well.
03-31-2017, 12:31 PM
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