Frontier Hiring.
09-19-2018 | 09:46 AM
#9161
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Yes - a friend of mines Dad was hired by UAL in 1963 with a commercial and 250 hours. They said get your commercial and we will hire you . He retired in 2000 on the 747-400 after 37 years. Supply and demand.
09-19-2018 | 11:29 AM
#9162
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09-19-2018 | 12:11 PM
#9164
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Just a message to our new Purdue Restricted ATPs that will be joining us in December.
The decision on whom is pilot flying for each leg is at the Captain’s discretion. And it is my belief that Restricted ATPs are inherently unsafe as they chose to skip both the regional and corporate worlds; in other words, you need more time to watch because I’m not going to be your IOE instructor. I won’t say you’ll never fly, but for me possible disqualifiers include but are not limited to: winds 5kts or greater, falling precipitation, night-time, mountainous terrain, wake turbulence near large airports, ceilings below 5,000ft, visibility below 10sm, and high traffic congestion. These safety restrictions will remain in effect throughout your probationary year at Frontier.
Thank you for acting as a crutch to a crippled hiring process, we don’t know what we would have done without you.
The decision on whom is pilot flying for each leg is at the Captain’s discretion. And it is my belief that Restricted ATPs are inherently unsafe as they chose to skip both the regional and corporate worlds; in other words, you need more time to watch because I’m not going to be your IOE instructor. I won’t say you’ll never fly, but for me possible disqualifiers include but are not limited to: winds 5kts or greater, falling precipitation, night-time, mountainous terrain, wake turbulence near large airports, ceilings below 5,000ft, visibility below 10sm, and high traffic congestion. These safety restrictions will remain in effect throughout your probationary year at Frontier.
Thank you for acting as a crutch to a crippled hiring process, we don’t know what we would have done without you.
09-19-2018 | 12:13 PM
#9165
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The solution is to fail these people out of training and put negative marks on their records that will effect their entire career. That will make them think twice about making such a big transition. Not because we want to harm them for coming and damaging the 1260 pilots currently here future's, but because they could not pass training to the same standards and pace as the rest of us.
It is up to the training department to keep these people out of the cockpit. Heck if they really are good enough, then they earned a spot sitting there. If they struggle through training, they should not be given multiple extra sims to "train to proficiency."
The next step after those that make it through training and OE are on the line is negative reviews from captains. Not made up BS because that will just discredit you and leave you with less power in this fight, but legitimate concerns. If these individuals made it into your right seat treat them like the pilot they apparently are. If they are not flying up to the standards expected of a brand new FO then refuse to fly with them, cite specific safety issues, document everything, and write them up.
Innocent until proven guilty my friend. But once guilty, send them home. And as always obviously don't let anything get to the point where it is critically unsafe.
It is up to the training department to keep these people out of the cockpit. Heck if they really are good enough, then they earned a spot sitting there. If they struggle through training, they should not be given multiple extra sims to "train to proficiency."
The next step after those that make it through training and OE are on the line is negative reviews from captains. Not made up BS because that will just discredit you and leave you with less power in this fight, but legitimate concerns. If these individuals made it into your right seat treat them like the pilot they apparently are. If they are not flying up to the standards expected of a brand new FO then refuse to fly with them, cite specific safety issues, document everything, and write them up.
Innocent until proven guilty my friend. But once guilty, send them home. And as always obviously don't let anything get to the point where it is critically unsafe.
I truly believe this is what will happen. Then these guys will have a failed check ride, a firing, and have gone against ALPA's wishes not to apply here. Good luck getting on with another ALPA carrier after being let go from frontier.
09-19-2018 | 01:05 PM
#9166
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From: Aircraft & Seat: old & hard
Nah, the Company will just give the RATPs two stripes, call them Junior FOs, and pay them $1000 less per month........ At least that is what they shoved down our throats back in the day (I wasn't an FO, but I did babysit, no extra pay. Probably shouldn't give them any ideas))
09-19-2018 | 01:13 PM
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09-19-2018 | 01:21 PM
#9169
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Also, showing up to class now is sending a loud and clear message to management and every Pilot here that you think managements’ behavior recently is just fine by you. That you’re happy to work for half pay. That you’re just fine with management cancelling your vacation whenever they want with no repurcussions. That you are willing to actively fight against your fellow pilots who are trying very hard to get the industry standard contract we MORE than deserve at this point.
Coming here until we get a new contract is doing a massive disservice to yourself, to F9 pilots, and to all airline pilots industry wide. Think very very hard about it before you commit to that class date.
But that’s just my advice. Take it or leave it.
Last edited by Mesabi; 09-19-2018 at 01:31 PM.
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