What an unbelievable name you’re making for yourself already. I highly doubt it would be the same reasons. There are seniority issues for those on property today. Restarting at some age is not an option. You seem very much like the type to justify what you are doing despite what is best for a group. You going to cross the picket line because that’s what’s best for yourself too??
You sound like your going to be a joy to fly with.

 

As a current Air Whisky guy I want to apologize. Overall we have a great group but every group has its... Well you know what Im getting at. Sorry in advance to anyone that has to fly with him.

 

I have buddies at Air Whisky as well. It is a great group. Thanks for pointing this out. Not hard to figure out who it is after a couple phone calls. He is making his choices and starting out by insulting nearly everyone here seems like an ill advised move. What goes around........

 

Oh good, this dead horse again.

Most on property came here before this fight started. Many probably would not have come if they’d had a crystal ball that showed what the fight was going to be like.

Once on property, the vast majority (as far as I know) have been beating down the doors at better places, but luck hasn’t been kind to very many.

But now, in the thick of battle with management, we are desperately begging pilots to help us. Support us. Join our fight by NOT COMING HERE RIGHT NOW. Wait until we have a contract. Not waiting, at this point in time, is stabbing us all in the back and helping management win. If you can’t understand how the game evolves and changes and where we are RIGHT NOW then God help you.

 

Zeno, you're about to be in a world of hurt if you make this move. I understand your frustrations with toon town, but F9 is so much more challenging at the moment. You won't have many friends over there. Your new management literally hates you. Your fellow F9 pilots will give you the cold shoulder because they've all told you to stay away. You going there now is dragging out the process unnecessarily. I get that an airbus is a cooler airplane to fly than a 200 and it would be fun to look down on traffic than up when taxiing around but do yourself a favor and walk away from this. Go back and reapply when F9 pilots have won their fight.

 

The fact he even posted that he's coming here says a lot about him.

 

I can’t wait to bust his ass on one of those new evaluation forms we’re doing on probie pilots now!

He (and many of his classmates) will never make it off probation.

 

Am I reading this right; no hotel is provided during training?

Maybe I’m missing something here but with many regionals providing 4 hotels a month, commuting policies, sign on bonuses, fast upgrades why would you want to go to F9 right now anyway? There’s also XOjet, Flexjet or Netjets if you want reasonable QOL while sending out resumes to the majors. I think Spirit is hiring and that’s looking like a great job these days.

I’m just not seeing the draw to F9 right now with all the other options out there.

 

Well clearly you are an idiot. I came here about a year ago from a regional and it has been the biggest mistake of my career. I listened to numerous people whom I know that believed a contract was just around the corner. Yet here I sit with second year pay being about 60% of what I used to to earn, once retirement is added in it is even worse. Why anyone would come here now with how things are I can't fathom.

The things that people used to talk about making Frontier worth while have deteriorated while I have been here. The ability to drop trips and adjust your schedule has become much more limited. The company claims this is due to pilots dropping more than they pick up. It is all a matter of how you look at the data. I drop a bunch of inefficient flying that had me at 12 days off and 77 hours hours. In turn I picked up more efficient flying and fly 78 hours with 17 days off. According to the company this is a work action since I worked less days. It doesn't matter that more block hours were covered. The company will manipulate the data to fit the narrative they wish too tell.

I also hope you don't want anytime off. Currently with the vacation cancellations it takes the better part of 3 years on property to hold a week off, worse if you are a captain. Maybe this will get better in the near future but I doubt it as the company has not met their projected hiring numbers recently which once again means we the pilots will end up sacrificing for management shortfalls.

The last thing I will will say is regarding MX, dispatch and operational control. I can't speak for how all other companies do things but I have worked as a CA for 3 previous 121 operations and have never before seen a disaster in the making such as this.

 

I'm just curious as to how many people are still showing up to class knowing what's in store for them? I'd really like to fly for Frontier but I can't justify the lack of respect right out of the gate in this hiring environment. No hotel? seriously? And 30 something an hour for an Airbus? "As i get goosebumps and the shakes as I stare off in the distance remembering commuting to ORD on reserve making 25 an hour".. NEVER AGAIN. The amount on my direct deposit can only be so little these days. Every other carrier meets that amount, so no app for Frontier. Good Luck guys. And Kudos to the Zeno guy for best Trolling of a pilot group for 18'. D**k.