Originally Posted by SFA320

One last thing. Why would 121 at SkyWest be better than 121 at F9 on a resume at WN with all other qualifications being equal? I laughed hard at that. The crj is amazing I know...but c’mon man.

Originally Posted by therapysession

Well that's up to us to decide. If we vote no, then still no contract or pilots.

Originally Posted by flensr

A stable company with less drama that isn't cancelling vacations. Many regionals are offering signing bonuses that phase in over 1 and 2 years, that bump first year pay well above what you'll get in the first year and possibly first 2 years at Frontier. If your plan is to stay for only a couple of years, the money is fairly even depending on which regional is chosen. Add a quick upgrade to build PIC time at many regionals and the choice gets even more clear.

After a new contract, F9 would probably be a great place to work whether long term or just as the next step in a long airline career. Right now I can't see any benefit, and many many drawbacks. I feel very lucky that F9 is not my "only option", and I really hope anyone who feels trapped can figure out something better because the F9 pilots really do deserve better than they're getting.

Originally Posted by therapysession

Well that's up to us to decide. If we vote no, then still no contract or pilots.

Originally Posted by Wheelswatch

Very true, and I hope to hell we stand strong.

Originally Posted by SFA320

I have a lot of friends at SkyWest and from what they are telling me their vacation PTO is always “denied due to staffing”, as well as swaps and drops. They are captains though. Anyhow what does it matter.....
I was just making the point 121 time is 121 time no matter where you are at especially If you have TPIC. You made it sound like 121 time at SkyWest was somehow better than 121 time at F9. That’s all.

Originally Posted by Wheelswatch

I'm just saying that these bottom barrel models in many industries exist for a reason; because they typically flourish, at least to an acceptable degree.

What you're proposing is "low fares done right." Absolutely true, they would make a killing. My point is: that would take desire, thought, energy, risk taking, and airline (not private equity) businessmanship.

You're talking about what could be. I'm talking about what is. You're giving them the benefit of the doubt that once the current practice no longer works so well, they will suddenly change stripes and become something they are not. They simply don't have what it takes inside of them to do it.

As far as all the new airplanes coming? Just a bigger version of what I fear is here to stay.

As far as no pilots to fly them? We'll get a new contract, and it will be the minimal give they have to give to bring in just barely the required level of candidate with the necessary training potential to operate the aircraft safely.

Originally Posted by dracir1

And there must be a reason for it other than lack of foresight. I don’t think they’ll be owners much longer...