I think maybe you misunderstood my comment? I’m saying that I’m not even considering applying to F9. I’m saying that the regional I got hired at looks better.

 

Did a class start today?

How many stooges?

 

I heard 14 in class. They wanted 36......

 

When I was looking for my first 121 job, my best options were skywest and spirit. I didn't even consider frontier because they were so grossly unrealistic that they were still requiring a 2 year payback training contract. And the writing was on the wall regarding the contract fiasco. Who wants to stick their nose into that mess when skywest hours look just as good (or better) on a resume? Get your 121 PIC time any way you can. At this time (and for the last couple of years in fact) Frontier is not a move "up" in any way.

I don't think anyone in my SWA class came from frontier. We had someone from spirit and everyone else was a real mix of almost every possible career pathway, corporate, military, regional, etc etc.

Go to Frontier if that's your idea of a great career final destination, but the real question is always going to be why use an offset aimpoint when the normal career progression is still proven to be the most reliable way up the food chain. If I had to do it again or if SWA suddenly went away and I was on the street tomorrow, I'd happily choose skywest over Frontier like a whole bunch of my friends did. There is real value and security in working for a proven *company*. Find a regional that gets you PIC the fastest, and grind out your hours there instead of trying for a half-step "up" to frontier which in reality is just a side track off the proven career path.

Just look at Spirit and see what happens when a company bites the bullet and agrees to a big boy contract. They're printing money over there, even though it took 2 quarters of reporting to investors that growth was on hold due to the contract negotiations. Once Spirit management decided they'd rather pay up than have to tell their investors AGAIN that they sucked at their job, the contract was a done deal and the company could keep moving forward. Frontier doesn't seem to have those pressures, happy to keep limping along on the strength of cancelled vacations and deferred MX.

 

We’ve had guys move onto SWA from Frontier I know two personally. Attrition is picking up to almost every “big boy carrier” you can name. F9 is also “printing money” like Spirit is, the contract will come but who the heck knows when. It takes time. Shareholders would definitely help expedite that I believe, but Spirits timeframe to a new contract did not come close to any speed records. With a new contract Frontier could turn into a career spot....but right now you are right it’s not one.
One last thing. Why would 121 at SkyWest be better than 121 at F9 on a resume at WN with all other qualifications being equal? I laughed hard at that. The crj is amazing I know...but c’mon man.

 

I’m looking forward to know what outside attrition will be for this last month. Either way -22 pilots for this go around, if I remember right they missed their goal last month by 28 with attrition. At this rate +500 pilots will take 5 years or more instead of 18 months. I wonder how they could fix that? Another YouTube video should do the trick.

 

Option 1: A respectable contract

Option 2: A $50,000 signing bonus



They'll probably try option 3 first though. $5,000 signing bonus just to test the waters

 

Option 4: Ramp up the youtube recruiting vids and offer 20% off lunch vouchers during new hire training

 

He probably means CRJ TPIC > Airbus SIC. Which is typically true when your TPIC is < 1000.

 

Hopefully we will have 14+ move on to a real airline...