Frontier Hiring.
09-06-2018, 08:21 AM
#9101
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I cannot speak for everyone but my observation is that many pilots choose to stay and are trying to get a fair and equitable contract.
If every pilot group in the past resigned just because contract negotiations were going poorly then you would never see the likes of current Delta pay rates. These contracts were fought hard for by those that came before us.
The new hires coming on property today are interfering with that and dragging the process out. Failure to secure an industry leading contract with Indigo will set a precedence for the rest of the industry. All eyes should be on us right now.
If every pilot group in the past resigned just because contract negotiations were going poorly then you would never see the likes of current Delta pay rates. These contracts were fought hard for by those that came before us.
The new hires coming on property today are interfering with that and dragging the process out. Failure to secure an industry leading contract with Indigo will set a precedence for the rest of the industry. All eyes should be on us right now.
Think very carefully before you reach for the low hanging fruit here.
09-06-2018, 08:25 AM
#9102
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Joined APC: May 2013
Position: Flaps & Ldg Gear Executive Director
Posts: 100
Well, still you didn't answer my question. I see you come up with a pusillanimous answer rather than well responded and elaborate one. Your words speak for yourself
09-06-2018, 08:26 AM
#9103
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Joined APC: May 2013
Position: Flaps & Ldg Gear Executive Director
Posts: 100
I cannot speak for everyone but my observation is that many pilots choose to stay and are trying to get a fair and equitable contract.
If every pilot group in the past resigned just because contract negotiations were going poorly then you would never see the likes of current Delta pay rates. These contracts were fought hard for by those that came before us.
The new hires coming on property today are interfering with that and dragging the process out. Failure to secure an industry leading contract with Indigo will set a precedence for the rest of the industry. All eyes should be on us right now.
If every pilot group in the past resigned just because contract negotiations were going poorly then you would never see the likes of current Delta pay rates. These contracts were fought hard for by those that came before us.
The new hires coming on property today are interfering with that and dragging the process out. Failure to secure an industry leading contract with Indigo will set a precedence for the rest of the industry. All eyes should be on us right now.
09-06-2018, 08:34 AM
#9104
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Position: Lineholder
Posts: 1,425
Alright Big Bus, first off you are not my friend. My friends don’t talk in Latin. I’ve said previously, I’m not out recruiting/advocating my friends to come here. In fact I’m doing the opposite. If Joe the pilot asked me about F9, I would tell him to wait until the contract comes before even applying. I would tell them to run. It’s not worth it right now.
Now, if some stranger decides to come here I’m not going to be an a hole towards him. He’s not a scab, he hasn’t crossed any picket line. I’m going to treat him or her with respect just like I would everybody else I fly with. I’m not going to blame him or direct my frustration towards him. Management wants us to be divided if we treat new hires like dirt they are achieving their goal.
If you disagree then we will have to agree to disagree.
Now, if some stranger decides to come here I’m not going to be an a hole towards him. He’s not a scab, he hasn’t crossed any picket line. I’m going to treat him or her with respect just like I would everybody else I fly with. I’m not going to blame him or direct my frustration towards him. Management wants us to be divided if we treat new hires like dirt they are achieving their goal.
If you disagree then we will have to agree to disagree.
09-06-2018, 08:47 AM
#9105
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Posts: 306
You are a clown for asking the same rediculous question that dozens and dozens of other clowns before you have asked. You people sound like little kids. I even have to read your post with with a little kid voice to give it the pittance of dignity that it deserves. You’ve heard the phrase ask a stupid question, and you’ll get a stupid answer. I was just giving you what you requested. Butthert gave you more respect than you deserved, and I applaud him/her for that. But I am sick of answering that inane question day after day. Don’t come on to other airline threads and insult the people here when you know NOTHING of what it’s like. Now go back to your ExpressJet thread and figure out why you’re still there trying to fix that awful mess!
GOOD DAY!
09-06-2018, 09:33 AM
#9106
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Joined APC: Oct 2011
Position: El Capitan de Airbii
Posts: 287
I cannot speak for everyone but my observation is that many pilots choose to stay and are trying to get a fair and equitable contract.
If every pilot group in the past resigned just because contract negotiations were going poorly then you would never see the likes of current Delta pay rates. These contracts were fought hard for by those that came before us.
The new hires coming on property today are interfering with that and dragging the process out. Failure to secure an industry leading contract with Indigo will set a precedence for the rest of the industry. All eyes should be on us right now.
If every pilot group in the past resigned just because contract negotiations were going poorly then you would never see the likes of current Delta pay rates. These contracts were fought hard for by those that came before us.
The new hires coming on property today are interfering with that and dragging the process out. Failure to secure an industry leading contract with Indigo will set a precedence for the rest of the industry. All eyes should be on us right now.
I have to disagree. Delta still attained those pay rates. Recently among the big three, we’ve seen industry-leading rates, me-too clauses, and voluntary pay increases mid contract. These airlines have no problem filling classes and likely will not for a very long time.
Anyone who inquires to me about F9 will hear me dissuade them from applying - backed by stories of how awful things are right now and the terrible management that rules, but I refuse to treat someone poorly for coming to class. There’s a stark contrast between hoping people don’t show in order to help our situation, and EXPECTING people off-property to forego their career advancements to help our plight. Depending on people to not apply is merely grasping at straws. That said, I believe supply and demand will work this out sooner than later.
People come to work here for a wide variety of personal reasons. Some show up and are gone right after training, which I think is even more damaging to the company than not showing up at all. Let’s not forget that getting calls from the big three isn’t that easy (I’ve been trying for ten years) and the regionals still really suck despite recent improvements. Let’s not forget how the career was sold down the river creating the regionals. When is comes to career moves, people have to do what’s right for them personally.
And to anyone crapping on new hires, I certainly hope you don’t ever work more than 70 credit hours. If so, you’re a hypocrite.
-SR
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09-06-2018, 11:51 AM
#9108
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 461
Newhires are as bad as scabs in my book even though I won't dilute the term by calling them scabs. They're clots though (little wannabe scabs in the making) and so is ANYONE exceeding the CBA.
100% strike vote and we've got people starting newhire classes and self profiteering *****s out on the line. hmmmmmm
100% strike vote and we've got people starting newhire classes and self profiteering *****s out on the line. hmmmmmm
09-06-2018, 03:28 PM
#9110
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Posts: 146
Newhires are as bad as scabs in my book even though I won't dilute the term by calling them scabs. They're clots though (little wannabe scabs in the making) and so is ANYONE exceeding the CBA.
100% strike vote and we've got people starting newhire classes and self profiteering *****s out on the line. hmmmmmm
100% strike vote and we've got people starting newhire classes and self profiteering *****s out on the line. hmmmmmm
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