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Old 02-20-2018 | 07:47 AM
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I am waiting to hear about an interview.

-Is GoJet a good career move?

-What is the training pass rate?

- Average time on IOE ?

- Are there many Bully Line check airman, trying to fail you?
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Old 02-20-2018 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Paladin145
I am waiting to hear about an interview.

-Is GoJet a good career move?
No, it's not. Every other regional is offering or starting to offer a better pay package, QOL, reserve rules, and bonuses. The street captain program and low time upgrades were the only things GoJet had going for it and now most regionals have fast upgrades and if you have the time they'll take you as an FO and upgrade you ASAP.

G7 has already announced there are no plans for a pay raise or any incentive to match that of other regionals. No, G7 is not a good career move.

-What is the training pass rate?
New hires have a decent pass rate and for some reason G7 LOVES to only hire street captains. FO's trying to upgrade are failed almost purposely to keep the street captain program running and keep FO's flying as FO's due to NO reserve FO's company wide.

Average time on IOE ?
There is no telling with this company. I've met street captains or new hires that basically have 2 months off between passing and their IOE and others that get called immediately. IOE is usually 2 trips and you're done.


Are there many Bully Line check airman, trying to fail you?
I wouldn't say there are bully line check airmen, there are interests in the training and management department that unfortunately take it out on the pilot group. The pilot group is overall solid and everyone usually looks out for everybody.
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Old 02-20-2018 | 10:39 AM
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Thank you, great info !

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No, it's not. Every other regional is offering or starting to offer a better pay package, QOL, reserve rules, and bonuses. The street captain program and low time upgrades were the only things GoJet had going for it and now most regionals have fast upgrades and if you have the time they'll take you as an FO and upgrade you ASAP.

G7 has already announced there are no plans for a pay raise or any incentive to match that of other regionals. No, G7 is not a good career move.



New hires have a decent pass rate and for some reason G7 LOVES to only hire street captains. FO's trying to upgrade are failed almost purposely to keep the street captain program running and keep FO's flying as FO's due to NO reserve FO's company wide.



There is no telling with this company. I've met street captains or new hires that basically have 2 months off between passing and their IOE and others that get called immediately. IOE is usually 2 trips and you're done.




I wouldn't say there are bully line check airmen, there are interests in the training and management department that unfortunately take it out on the pilot group. The pilot group is overall solid and everyone usually looks out for everybody.
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Old 02-20-2018 | 05:19 PM
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"FO's trying to upgrade are failed almost purposely to keep the street captain program running and keep FO's flying as FO's due to NO reserve FO's company wide."

Seriously? If you show up prepared you will pass. No one is out to get you or to make failure quotas. Unfortunately people don't understand the scope of knowledge required of them when they go in for upgrade. The last FO I flew with that failed had a terrible excuse that showed he had obviously not put in the effort to be ready. I asked him a few related questions through the trip and he had no clue. Just because you have the FAA mandated experience it doesn't mean you are ready for the position.

My Captain checkride was the easiest checkride I've ever taken because it was hands down the most prepared I have ever been for a checkride. Do the work, study, take it seriously.
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Old 02-21-2018 | 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by jstanotherpilot
No, it's not. Every other regional is offering or starting to offer a better pay package, QOL, reserve rules, and bonuses. The street captain program and low time upgrades were the only things GoJet had going for it and now most regionals have fast upgrades and if you have the time they'll take you as an FO and upgrade you ASAP.

G7 has already announced there are no plans for a pay raise or any incentive to match that of other regionals. No, G7 is not a good career move.



New hires have a decent pass rate and for some reason G7 LOVES to only hire street captains. FO's trying to upgrade are failed almost purposely to keep the street captain program running and keep FO's flying as FO's due to NO reserve FO's company wide.



There is no telling with this company. I've met street captains or new hires that basically have 2 months off between passing and their IOE and others that get called immediately. IOE is usually 2 trips and you're done.




I wouldn't say there are bully line check airmen, there are interests in the training and management department that unfortunately take it out on the pilot group. The pilot group is overall solid and everyone usually looks out for everybody.
You literally have no idea what you're talking about . Management has went to the union about upping compensation. Nobody is failing upgrade because of street CA's . If you fail upgrade , it's because you weren't prepared . However , yes , there are several other options better than G7 right now ....
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Old 02-21-2018 | 07:16 AM
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Obviously when it comes to pay there are better options than g7 right now... when our current contract came out a couple of years ago we had top tier pay. That being said it was a couple years ago in this industry is moving so quickly that even a contract that came out a year ago isn’t up to today’s standard. Word is there maybe a pay bump in the future before our contract is up for negotiation to stay competitive. When it comes to other aspects of the company I’ve never heard of anybody failing upgrade for any other reason besides being ill prepared. Also, there are a few check airman out there that aren’t the friendliest. I’ve never had any issue and it’s really only the direct entry captains from what I’ve heard they get rode a little harder. Overall I really enjoyed my time here so far. I get to live out in the mountains and drive to work can’t beat that!
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Old 02-21-2018 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by jstanotherpilot
No, it's not. Every other regional is offering or starting to offer a better pay package, QOL, reserve rules, and bonuses. The street captain program and low time upgrades were the only things GoJet had going for it and now most regionals have fast upgrades and if you have the time they'll take you as an FO and upgrade you ASAP.

G7 has already announced there are no plans for a pay raise or any incentive to match that of other regionals. No, G7 is not a good career move.



New hires have a decent pass rate and for some reason G7 LOVES to only hire street captains. FO's trying to upgrade are failed almost purposely to keep the street captain program running and keep FO's flying as FO's due to NO reserve FO's company wide.



There is no telling with this company. I've met street captains or new hires that basically have 2 months off between passing and their IOE and others that get called immediately. IOE is usually 2 trips and you're done.




I wouldn't say there are bully line check airmen, there are interests in the training and management department that unfortunately take it out on the pilot group. The pilot group is overall solid and everyone usually looks out for everybody.
You don't know what you're talking about, as hc0fitted stated. You sound like a 5yr FO I recently flew with. One who thinks he's a captain, yet is afraid to take the initiative of becoming one. Instead of coming up with excuses for failure, actually study to become a captain. Going to the left seat is no free ride and rightfully so. I studied my arse off and upgrade was a breeze. Very fair and pleasant examiners who knew I was prepped.

That said, I wouldn't recommend FOs coming to Gojet right now. We have smaller bonuses, lower pay, and no flow just Spirit for whatever it's worth.
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Old 02-21-2018 | 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by theclaw
You don't know what you're talking about, as hc0fitted stated. You sound like a 5yr FO I recently flew with. One who thinks he's a captain, yet is afraid to take the initiative of becoming one. Instead of coming up with excuses for failure, actually study to become a captain. Going to the left seat is no free ride and rightfully so. I studied my arse off and upgrade was a breeze. Very fair and pleasant examiners who knew I was prepped.

That said, I wouldn't recommend FOs coming to Gojet right now. We have smaller bonuses, lower pay, and no flow just Spirit for whatever it's worth.
Not even worth arguing. You feel better now talking **** about the FO's you fly with? Personally, I respect the FO's I fly with and learn something new from every one of them. Everyone has their process and time.

Look at the pass rate for the recent upgrade classes. Numbers don't lie.
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Old 02-21-2018 | 09:52 PM
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The problem GJ has always had is a complete lack of integrity by some of its management people. There are some pilots at GJ who are in the very top tier on anyone's standards. On the other hand you had management with the attitude that they were going to treat people like crap to sent a message to everyone they GJ can destroy them at any second. Keep the troops in line with fear and intimidation.

GJ is small enough that it could make a commitment to treat people fairly and with respect. It could then grow and prosper. Instead, Hulas looks at every short term gain he can get at the expense of some innocent individual.

An integrity first policy at GJ could make them the best airline to work for and could make them the fastest expanding airline. Unfortunately, Hulas will never allow it.

The sad thing is that the troops want to work hard and will work harder without fear and intimidation. That's the type of people most pilots are.
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Old 02-22-2018 | 05:23 AM
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I have never once felt intimidated or fearful. I potentially screwed up one day so I gave the D.O. a call. He picked up immediately listened to me, walked me through determining if I had screwed up and determined with me that everything was OK. He then thanked me for calling him and wished me a good day. Honesty goes a long way here. Do your job, be safe, and have fun. Regionals are very dynamic operations, take your time when faced with an issue, follow SOP and life will be just fine.

Originally Posted by MolineCFI
The problem GJ has always had is a complete lack of integrity by some of its management people. There are some pilots at GJ who are in the very top tier on anyone's standards. On the other hand you had management with the attitude that they were going to treat people like crap to sent a message to everyone they GJ can destroy them at any second. Keep the troops in line with fear and intimidation.

GJ is small enough that it could make a commitment to treat people fairly and with respect. It could then grow and prosper. Instead, Hulas looks at every short term gain he can get at the expense of some innocent individual.

An integrity first policy at GJ could make them the best airline to work for and could make them the fastest expanding airline. Unfortunately, Hulas will never allow it.

The sad thing is that the troops want to work hard and will work harder without fear and intimidation. That's the type of people most pilots are.
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