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05-21-2021 | 09:56 PM
#131
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Gojet began the trickle and Skywest opened the flood gates. People are not going to come here when the respectable airlines are hiring. I expect we will become known as the airline to go to transition to fixed wing. Maybe specializing in foreign pilots will help too. We will need a few nitches.
05-22-2021 | 04:30 AM
#132
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Joined: May 2021
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According to the chief pilot, it was implemented in the last contract. I can't count how many times I have heard this from management etc during indoc. The only question is whether I can trust them...
05-22-2021 | 08:18 PM
#133
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If it does exist, does that mean it will be followed? The 2007 CBA required arbitration of grievances and Gojet routinely refused to arbitrate saying each grievance was not properly grieved. Then there would be an arbitration about whether GJ had to arbitrate. When they lost they still refused to arbitrate until they were sued. Then they claimed the suit was improper because arbitration was required. They will spend 3 years making that argument if they need to.
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05-24-2021 | 07:16 AM
#135
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I have not seen such a clause in the CBA, if someone could show us that it would be appreciated. Can you trust them, no. They will tell you something like that exists and point you to the source. You read the actual source and it says no such thing. They will tell you that is how it is interpreted, when it never will be.
If it does exist, does that mean it will be followed? The 2007 CBA required arbitration of grievances and Gojet routinely refused to arbitrate saying each grievance was not properly grieved. Then there would be an arbitration about whether GJ had to arbitrate. When they lost they still refused to arbitrate until they were sued. Then they claimed the suit was improper because arbitration was required. They will spend 3 years making that argument if they need to.
If it does exist, does that mean it will be followed? The 2007 CBA required arbitration of grievances and Gojet routinely refused to arbitrate saying each grievance was not properly grieved. Then there would be an arbitration about whether GJ had to arbitrate. When they lost they still refused to arbitrate until they were sued. Then they claimed the suit was improper because arbitration was required. They will spend 3 years making that argument if they need to.
05-24-2021 | 04:02 PM
#139
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Joined: Jan 2010
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CJO
congrats on the CJO. They called me today. Though it’s a good deal for many, as a 20 year ExpressJet guy, I’m not sure if I’m willing to work for the pay outlined in their longevity match (up to 10 years) . For me it’s a $22+/hour cut. Anyways, questions.
1. When was your interview? May interview and September class date? That buys me time.
The interview is virtual correct?
You got a CJO right after the interview?
again, congratulations.
callan crawford
05-24-2021 | 08:40 PM
#140
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You are mistaken if you believe that section 6 requires GoJet or any other airline to promptly enter into a new CBA when one expires. It has 3 provisions:
1. Either party must give the other party at least thirty days' written notice of an intended change in agreements affecting rates of pay, rules, or working conditions, and
2. The time and place for the beginning of conference between the representatives of the parties interested in such intended changes shall be agreed upon within ten days after the receipt of said notice, and said time shall be within the thirty days provided in the notice., and
3. Status quo on the old contract until a new agreement is reached or the parties are released by the mediator for self help.
Nobody can force an agreement upon the other and the negotiations often take several years. Gojet's 2007 agreement ended in 2014 and a new CBA was entered 4 years later. If Gojet can entice pilots to come with low salaries but big bonuses they won't be in a hurry to increase everyone's pay.
1. Either party must give the other party at least thirty days' written notice of an intended change in agreements affecting rates of pay, rules, or working conditions, and
2. The time and place for the beginning of conference between the representatives of the parties interested in such intended changes shall be agreed upon within ten days after the receipt of said notice, and said time shall be within the thirty days provided in the notice., and
3. Status quo on the old contract until a new agreement is reached or the parties are released by the mediator for self help.
Nobody can force an agreement upon the other and the negotiations often take several years. Gojet's 2007 agreement ended in 2014 and a new CBA was entered 4 years later. If Gojet can entice pilots to come with low salaries but big bonuses they won't be in a hurry to increase everyone's pay.
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