Apparently digging your head out of the sand. And you're still dodging the question.

Let's up the ante to two questions, this being the second: What scope protections do the TSA pilots have?

X

 

Here's what the current contract says about scope:

B. Scope

1. All fl ying in and for the scheduled revenue passenger service of the Company
and any wet lease or charter fl ying presently performed or to be performed in
the future by the Company, shall be performed by active Pilots on the Trans
States Airlines Pilots’ Seniority List and shall be fl own in accordance with all
of the provisions of the Employment agreement and applicable amendments
thereto between the Company and the Pilots as represented by the Air Line
Pilots Association, International (AFL CIO).

2. Notwithstanding paragraph B.l. above, the Company may assign or contract
out fl ying for periods not in excess of ninety (90) days if such conduct is
necessary to accomplish the needs of the service of the Company, and the
Company does not have suffi cient aircraft or pilots available to perform the
fl ying assigned or contracted out and no company pilot is furloughed as a result
of such contracting out of such fl ying.


The simpler answer to your question is "not enough". Like I said earlier, we have been fighting for a better contract for the last 3 years since it's been amendable.

 

When were you hired by them? What class at UAL were you in? I guess they didn't ask anyone to resign their numbers at previous airlines? Do you actually JUMPSEAT, or do you non-rev? How about a 40 something that gives you lip when you get back to UAL? How did you work out the "flowback" LOA at GoJet/UAL? How much are they paying you?
Heard they weren't doing it?
Just wondering where you are coming from.

 

Because they demanded more $$$, and HK created an alter ego to get around paying his pilots more.

 

Hired after my Sept UA furlough.

You do the math and figure it out.

They are asking from the last class forward due to all the Airtran guys leaving but it DOES NOT INCLUDE UA.

Yes...and the MEC OK'ed it. Period...end of story.

2nd year pay...almost what I was making at UA.

 

Trans States Holdings created the GoJet certificate because the TSA certificate was limited to fifty seat flying by APA scope. TSH was prepared to negotiate with TSA pilots to fly the aircraft on the new certificate, under one seniority list; just like RAH. Several attempts were made to communicate with TSA pilots concerning this issue. The first letter was issued in June of 2004 to communicate management’s intent to create another certificate (necessary to fly larger aircraft). The second letter was issued later that year which requested ALPA to poll and submit their offer for seventy seat pay-scales so that management could plan labor costs for future contract bidding. Unfortunately, TSA MEC decided to campaign against the creation of a separate certificate rather than negotiate new pay-scales. Trans States Holdings continued with the certification process. When it came time for an initial cadre of pilots, a third letter was issued to offer the flying to TSA pilots who could apply and bring longevity with them. Only after this offer still didn’t satisfy their staffing requirements did GoJet start hiring off the street.

GoJet was created for the same reason that RAH operates three separate certificates. The difference was that their pilots had a competent negotiating committee and was able to secure the flying. GoJet’s pay scales are inline with other seventy seat operators so it’s not a valid argument to suggest that Trans States Holdings was unwilling to negotiate. I suppose that if you think DM’s leadership was competent then we don’t have much to talk about.

Under TSA’s historically lethargic leadership, they: haven’t voted on the contract they work under since 1994; their current CBA was implemented in 2000 by their MEC without pilot ratification; the contract was extended by DM in 2003, again without pilot ratification; meanwhile, DM has left for a non-union carrier. Maybe they’ll be able to teach him how to land without the parking brake on, or maybe that’s just common sense.

I don’t suspect this post will change the minds of many. I’m quite certain that it makes most of those on this forum feel better to see the TSA pilots as a heroic group of humanitarians, selflessly standing up for the betterment of our society. That’s fine. I hope though that some of you will start asking questions rather than regurgitating the rhetoric spilled by those who were hurt. It’s amazing how much emotion the grapevine is still able to stir despite how consistently it’s wrong.

C’est la vie!

 

How are you making almost as much as at UA? Were you a direct hire captain?

 

First year pay at ua was $34/hr
Sec yr pay at Gojet is 30/hr

 

Hahah now I've heard them all. How long did it take to come up with that one? You mean to tell me TSA pilots didn't want more flying? Wow. What about the fact that they tried to offer the pilots something worse than they had before, some how that's not up there. Do you recite this to yourself everynight and after you've been kicked off the jumpseat to make yourself feel better? If you're not an actual gojets pilot, then appologies..

 

It's exactly what happened....all a matter of public record at ALPA...

Those guys got screwed b/c of bad advice from bad representation.