GO GoJet !!!
05-29-2006 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
GoJetScabs,
You must be young and obviously haven't read all the older GoJet postings. Scabs lists are old fashioned. They don't mean anything anymore. The major airline guys will not honor your "list". No one outside of TAS or GoJet even cares about your little fight. Ten or more years ago I was asked to interview for TSA. When I saw what the pay was I threw the letter in the trash. TSA use to be the scab airline. The industry will keep feeding on each other until we reach the bottom. If you want to keep your job you had better pick the winning side.
SkyHigh
You must be young and obviously haven't read all the older GoJet postings. Scabs lists are old fashioned. They don't mean anything anymore. The major airline guys will not honor your "list". No one outside of TAS or GoJet even cares about your little fight. Ten or more years ago I was asked to interview for TSA. When I saw what the pay was I threw the letter in the trash. TSA use to be the scab airline. The industry will keep feeding on each other until we reach the bottom. If you want to keep your job you had better pick the winning side.
SkyHigh
05-29-2006 | 10:12 AM
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GoJet=Hiring.... TSA=furloughing......... I think I'd go where the jobs are.
05-29-2006 | 10:43 AM
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sweet gig
I've only taken a few business courses, so this may sound very naive, but:
every company has fixed costs. Insurance, airport space, terminals, etc.
To generate cash to pay these costs the airlines sell tickets. However, their variable costs far exceed the revenues generated by those activities. So basically every flight they operate digs them deeper into debt.
I'm not advocating the end of majors, but instead of cost cutting and low ball ticket fares, it seems the majors would learn that they need a new approach to the industry. Like stearman driver has mentioned, the capatalistic, ultra competitive approach doesn't seem to be working for us.
Operating flights just to prolong their existence doesn't seem to make much sense for anybody except the exec's and "bean-counters" that get paid to drive the airlines down.
I might be way off on this one, this is just my reaction based on my relatively limited understanding of the business side of it.
every company has fixed costs. Insurance, airport space, terminals, etc.
To generate cash to pay these costs the airlines sell tickets. However, their variable costs far exceed the revenues generated by those activities. So basically every flight they operate digs them deeper into debt.
I'm not advocating the end of majors, but instead of cost cutting and low ball ticket fares, it seems the majors would learn that they need a new approach to the industry. Like stearman driver has mentioned, the capatalistic, ultra competitive approach doesn't seem to be working for us.
Operating flights just to prolong their existence doesn't seem to make much sense for anybody except the exec's and "bean-counters" that get paid to drive the airlines down.
I might be way off on this one, this is just my reaction based on my relatively limited understanding of the business side of it.
05-29-2006 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Sr. Barco
GOJETPILOTSVIRTUALSCABS:
So, are all Southwest pilots contributing to the "atrocity" you talk about? We all had to pay about $7k for the 737 type rating in order to be hired. After all, that is paying to be trained in the 737. Let me know what you think.
S.B.
So, are all Southwest pilots contributing to the "atrocity" you talk about? We all had to pay about $7k for the 737 type rating in order to be hired. After all, that is paying to be trained in the 737. Let me know what you think.
S.B.
05-29-2006 | 04:44 PM
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I checked the list at www.gojet,etc and it seems it hasnīt been updated in a while (shows 2005 in the page). 
Is this animosity with gojet pilots still going on?
Is this animosity with gojet pilots still going on?
05-29-2006 | 05:30 PM
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I really feel for you guys,it is a difficult position for all of you.
Wouldnt management gleefully eat up the conflicts that they have caused. They are the real "scabs".Taking their pay raises and company cars to go play golf while pilots are doing the work and struggling to make ends meet.
Too bad they cannot be held accountable.
Wouldnt management gleefully eat up the conflicts that they have caused. They are the real "scabs".Taking their pay raises and company cars to go play golf while pilots are doing the work and struggling to make ends meet.
Too bad they cannot be held accountable.
05-29-2006 | 06:56 PM
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Scab list still matter.
I have denied gojets my jumpset. And I always will. I dont work for TSA either. Pilots should just know better. "Everyman for himself" attitude should not go unpunished.
Stick together everyone..it's the only way.
I have denied gojets my jumpset. And I always will. I dont work for TSA either. Pilots should just know better. "Everyman for himself" attitude should not go unpunished.
Stick together everyone..it's the only way.
05-29-2006 | 07:06 PM
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"My captain upgrade has been farmed out to GoJet"... Words from my friend, the TSA EMB FO...
05-29-2006 | 07:41 PM
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I think the gojets thing isn't right of management, but on the other hand, all the TSA pilots did to prevent it from happening was vote. Their vote was ignored. What did the TSA pilots do? Nothing
The TSA pilots should have had a strike. Management would rather hear a "thank you" from their wives for the new diamond ring than a "thank you" from some pilot group. Don't ever expect management to help you out. Without a strike, the pilot group forces nothing upon management.
The TSA management just called the pilot group's bluff, and the pilots are now paying for it.
The TSA pilots should have had a strike. Management would rather hear a "thank you" from their wives for the new diamond ring than a "thank you" from some pilot group. Don't ever expect management to help you out. Without a strike, the pilot group forces nothing upon management.
The TSA management just called the pilot group's bluff, and the pilots are now paying for it.
05-30-2006 | 11:15 AM
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From: Jungle Jet
directbears,
Im sorry to say but you are missinformed about TSA and Eagle. AMR wanted to expan their operations out of STL and Eagle was offered those routes but turned down since they were at a strain to there capacity at that time. TSA then bid on the contract and won. The planes that used to be eagle planes were bought as they were on there way out to the dessert, being replaced by newer airplanes.
No one at eagle got furloughed.
I am getting furloghed.
Big difference
Im sorry to say but you are missinformed about TSA and Eagle. AMR wanted to expan their operations out of STL and Eagle was offered those routes but turned down since they were at a strain to there capacity at that time. TSA then bid on the contract and won. The planes that used to be eagle planes were bought as they were on there way out to the dessert, being replaced by newer airplanes.
No one at eagle got furloughed.
I am getting furloghed.
Big difference
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