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gojo 06-17-2014 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by spaaks (Post 1666692)
That's what I thought too. Plus, I can't believe daddy D would let 700's sit around not flying/generating revenue just because of the cost of a C check

They probably will go to ASA/Skywest. They're already flying the rest of the aircraft Comair operated. Well, minus some of the 200's. Oh wait, aren't they also flying some old Pinnacle, horizon, and Freedom birds? Anytime Daddy Delta wants to slap somebody's hand Skywest is always there to help them out

Slats 06-18-2014 03:48 AM


Originally Posted by gojo (Post 1666699)
They probably will go to ASA/Skywest. They're already flying the rest of the aircraft Comair operated. Well, minus some of the 200's. Oh wait, aren't they also flying some old Pinnacle, horizon, and Freedom birds? Anytime Daddy Delta wants an efficient, reliable product Skywest is always there to help them out

Delta
D:0 A:14 ACF
OO 78.00 % OO 88.50 % RP 99.70 %
9E 70.40 % DL 82.60 % S5 99.40 %
CP 69.30 % 9E 80.70 % EV 99.30 %
S5 67.10 % CP 78.70 % OO 99.20 %
DL 65.10 % EV 76.80 % 9E 99.00 %
RP 64.20 % RP 74.80 % G7 98.80 %
EV 63.90 % S5 73.30 % CP 98.70 %
G7 56.10 % G7 64.00 % DL -




Fixed it for ya

AlaskaBound 06-18-2014 04:13 AM


Originally Posted by Slats (Post 1666796)
Delta
D:0 A:14 ACF
OO 78.00 % OO 88.50 % RP 99.70 %
9E 70.40 % DL 82.60 % S5 99.40 %
CP 69.30 % 9E 80.70 % EV 99.30 %
S5 67.10 % CP 78.70 % OO 99.20 %
DL 65.10 % EV 76.80 % 9E 99.00 %
RP 64.20 % RP 74.80 % G7 98.80 %
EV 63.90 % S5 73.30 % CP 98.70 %
G7 56.10 % G7 64.00 % DL -


Fixed it for ya

In a true and arrogant SkyWest fashion. Thanks for clearing that up

gojo 06-18-2014 04:16 AM


Originally Posted by Slats (Post 1666796)
Delta
D:0 A:14 ACF
OO 78.00 % OO 88.50 % RP 99.70 %
9E 70.40 % DL 82.60 % S5 99.40 %
CP 69.30 % 9E 80.70 % EV 99.30 %
S5 67.10 % CP 78.70 % OO 99.20 %
DL 65.10 % EV 76.80 % 9E 99.00 %
RP 64.20 % RP 74.80 % G7 98.80 %
EV 63.90 % S5 73.30 % CP 98.70 %
G7 56.10 % G7 64.00 % DL -




Fixed it for ya

Ok, thanks. I knew I was forgetting something. But I don't think that was it

Is offline 06-18-2014 04:16 AM


Originally Posted by gojo (Post 1666699)
They probably will go to ASA/Skywest. They're already flying the rest of the aircraft Comair operated. Well, minus some of the 200's. Oh wait, aren't they also flying some old Pinnacle, horizon, and Freedom birds? Anytime Daddy Delta wants to slap somebody's hand Skywest is always there to help them out

Bashing Skywest in the gojet thread. Now that is funny!

pagey 06-18-2014 04:42 AM


Originally Posted by Slats (Post 1666796)
Delta
D:0 A:14 ACF
OO 78.00 % OO 88.50 % RP 99.70 %
9E 70.40 % DL 82.60 % S5 99.40 %
CP 69.30 % 9E 80.70 % EV 99.30 %
S5 67.10 % CP 78.70 % OO 99.20 %
DL 65.10 % EV 76.80 % 9E 99.00 %
RP 64.20 % RP 74.80 % G7 98.80 %
EV 63.90 % S5 73.30 % CP 98.70 %
G7 56.10 % G7 64.00 % DL -




Fixed it for ya

Those numbers don't tell the whole story. Also what period is that for? Is it one month? 6? Is it summer, winter? Etc.

For example Skywest doesn't operate very much in the northeast where delays are rampant and 99% of the time are by no fault of the airline.

56.1% is......interesting. :D

whataclub 06-18-2014 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by spaaks (Post 1666659)
Is it true that gojet had a few 700's for delta parked because they refused to pay for a C check? I heard a rumor that they're starting to return the delta 700's and they're going back to ASA

I know that for the first two weeks of June Compass was covering some of GoJets east coast flying due to "maintenance reliability issues" at GoJets... Oh the joys of being "sister" companies

Dutch1 06-18-2014 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by Slats (Post 1666796)
Delta
D:0 A:14 ACF
OO 78.00 % OO 88.50 % RP 99.70 %
9E 70.40 % DL 82.60 % S5 99.40 %
CP 69.30 % 9E 80.70 % EV 99.30 %
S5 67.10 % CP 78.70 % OO 99.20 %
DL 65.10 % EV 76.80 % 9E 99.00 %
RP 64.20 % RP 74.80 % G7 98.80 %
EV 63.90 % S5 73.30 % CP 98.70 %
G7 56.10 % G7 64.00 % DL -




Fixed it for ya


Comair MCO base was always 98+%. After they moved us to NYC, those numbers dropped like a rock. I'd tell you not to be a complete Tool, but it's already too late.:rolleyes:

Slats 06-18-2014 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by Dutch1 (Post 1666863)
Comair MCO base was always 98+%. After they moved us to NYC, those numbers dropped like a rock. I'd tell you not to be a complete Tool, but it's already too late.:rolleyes:

Thanks! I'm the Swiss Army knife of tools. Life is happier when you know your place 😋

air101 06-18-2014 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by Dutch1 (Post 1666863)
Comair MCO base was always 98+%. After they moved us to NYC, those numbers dropped like a rock. I'd tell you not to be a complete Tool, but it's already too late.:rolleyes:

LOL, some fellow SkyWesters just don't get it. We operate a majority of our DL flights on the West Coast... (cue the rants about SFO, where we only operate maybe 1-2 DL flights.) If we were operating mostly out of LGA or JFK our numbers would be just as bad as everyone else's. I wish they would understand this and quit trying to throw some useless numbers out and anoint us.

And if I recall, back towards the beginning of 2013 DL actually threatened to pull all their flying from GoJet due to poor performance and not meeting goals as set forth by the contract. They stepped it up for a little while, but it appears their reliability has once again slipped.

NVUS 06-18-2014 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by air101 (Post 1666922)
LOL, some fellow SkyWesters just don't get it. We operate a majority of our DL flights on the West Coast... (cue the rants about SFO, where we only operate maybe 1-2 DL flights.) If we were operating mostly out of LGA or JFK our numbers would be just as bad as everyone else's. I wish they would understand this and quit trying to throw some useless numbers out and anoint us.

And if I recall, back towards the beginning of 2013 DL actually threatened to pull all their flying from GoJet due to poor performance and not meeting goals as set forth by the contract. They stepped it up for a little while, but it appears their reliability has once again slipped.

http://s27.postimg.org/gaziq8xtf/Untitled.png

Yeah, that's totally an easy route map to pull off everyday. Whew!!!!

pagey 06-18-2014 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1666970)
http://s27.postimg.org/gaziq8xtf/Untitled.png

Yeah, that's totally an easy route map to pull off everyday. Whew!!!!

Actually, it is.

The majority of flying is from SLC and MSP...

Not exactly airports known for significant delay issues.

9E/G7/EV all do a bunch of LGA. That alone is enough to tip the scales.

NVUS 06-18-2014 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by pagey (Post 1667004)
Actually, it is.

The majority of flying is from SLC and MSP...

Not exactly airports known for significant delay issues.

9E/G7/EV all do a bunch of LGA. That alone is enough to tip the scales.

Right, no TS ever roll through MSP. It never snows there or anywhere else in the midwest. TS never roll through DTW. It also never ever snows there either. Never snows in the Rocky Mountains either. In fact, SkyWest only flies to cities where there is absolutely 100% sunny skies all day, every day. Like Seattle.

Jvw700 06-18-2014 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1667007)
Right, no TS ever roll through MSP. It never snows there or anywhere else in the midwest. TS never roll through DTW. It also never ever snows there either. Never snows in the Rocky Mountains either. In fact, SkyWest only flies to cities where there is absolutely 100% sunny skies all day, every day. Like Seattle.

You are very ignorant to east coast flying! You're making yourself sound stupid! It's more than just weather that causes the delays! Did you ever think to consider what happens when you have multiple major airports right next to each other? i.e. LGA JFK EWR.... It becomes extremely congested and ground stops are the norm... Now you can add in the weather and imagine what happens!

pagey 06-18-2014 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1667007)
Right, no TS ever roll through MSP. It never snows there or anywhere else in the midwest. TS never roll through DTW. It also never ever snows there either. Never snows in the Rocky Mountains either. In fact, SkyWest only flies to cities where there is absolutely 100% sunny skies all day, every day. Like Seattle.


Stop being ridiculous.

Sure there are delays....They are airports.

To compare them to a place like LGA, or EWR, or ATL, or ORD is foolish.

I wonder where the "skywest attitude" originated from? The arrogance is blinding.

NVUS 06-18-2014 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by Jvw700 (Post 1667031)
You are very ignorant to east coast flying! You're making yourself sound stupid! It's more than just weather that causes the delays! Did you ever think to consider what happens when you have multiple major airports right next to each other? i.e. LGA JFK EWR.... It becomes extremely congested and ground stops are the norm... Now you can add in the weather and imagine what happens!

Yeah, we live it everyday, too. You aren't the only turd in the punchbowl.

AlaskaBound 06-18-2014 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1666970)
http://s27.postimg.org/gaziq8xtf/Untitled.png

Yeah, that's totally an easy route map to pull off everyday. Whew!!!!

Once a tool, always a tool. Thanks for the route map. Do you get those maps in your new hire and recurrent training classes? Do you have to memorize them while sipping on the kool-aid poured by management as they watch you study so you can spout it off to anyone who dares criticize the mighty SKW? You're not helping the tool-bag reputation of SKW pilots.

NVUS 06-18-2014 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by pagey (Post 1667033)
Stop being ridiculous.

Sure there are delays....They are airports.

To compare them to a place like LGA, or EWR, or ATL, or ORD is foolish.

I wonder where the "skywest attitude" originated from? The arrogance is blinding.

And SkyWest doesn't fly for DL, UA and AA out of ORD? SkyWest doesnt fly for UA and DL out of ATL? So when the GS and GDPs come out for those two airports, they pertain to every airline BUT SkyWest? Thanks for opening my eyes.

AlaskaBound 06-18-2014 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1667007)
Right, no TS ever roll through MSP. It never snows there or anywhere else in the midwest. TS never roll through DTW. It also never ever snows there either. Never snows in the Rocky Mountains either. In fact, SkyWest only flies to cities where there is absolutely 100% sunny skies all day, every day. Like Seattle.

I assume you've never experienced or compared the operational differences between thunderstorms that go through MSP/DTW vs. NYC. You can't compare the operational complexities. MSP recovers very quickly while it takes days sometimes for NYC to recover from a major storm or storms.

Jvw700 06-18-2014 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1667036)
Yeah, we live it everyday, too. You aren't the only turd in the punchbowl.

You really are an ignorant child..... Kids like you give the rest of Skywest a bad rap!

NVUS 06-18-2014 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1667041)
Once a tool, always a tool. Thanks for the route map. Do you get those maps in your new hire and recurrent training classes? Do you have to memorize them while sipping on the kool-aid poured by management as they watch you study so you can spout it off to anyone who dares criticize the mighty SKW? You're not helping the tool-bag reputation of SKW pilots.

Any inquiring mind in the world can access them anytime they please. I haven't once ripped on your operation, I'm just defending mine. You're all the ones with the high and mighty tones.

NVUS 06-18-2014 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by Jvw700 (Post 1667045)
You really are an ignorant child..... Kids like you give the rest of Skywest a bad rap!

Actually, I never once ripped on any airline or its employees or called any of you names. You all are the ones ripping on SkyWest, and using name calling. You're the high and mighty ones.

CBreezy 06-18-2014 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1667042)
And SkyWest doesn't fly for DL, UA and AA out of ORD? SkyWest doesnt fly for UA and DL out of ATL? So when the GS and GDPs come out for those two airports, they pertain to every airline BUT SkyWest? Thanks for opening my eyes.

I don't know if you ever took a statistics class in college but I have a question for your logic. If 90% of your operations are to the East Coast/ and it is delayed 60% of the time due to weather, how would that compare to having 60% of your operations at airports that have delays 20% of the time or less? Do you think it would affect system-wide averages?

pagey 06-18-2014 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1667042)
And SkyWest doesn't fly for DL, UA and AA out of ORD? SkyWest doesnt fly for UA and DL out of ATL? So when the GS and GDPs come out for those two airports, they pertain to every airline BUT SkyWest? Thanks for opening my eyes.

The chart shown was for DAL flying, as well as the route map.....

Apparently I did need to open your eyes. We are talking DAL only.

Having a couple flights a day into ORD is not the same as G7's dozens. Same with ATL and EV.


Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1667052)
Actually, I never once ripped on any airline or its employees or called any of you names. You all are the ones ripping on SkyWest, and using name calling. You're the high and mighty ones.

No one is ripping on Skywest. You and that other guy posted a chart, and a route map that apparently shows Skywest's dominance. We were just opening your eyes a little because you samples are biased.....SIGNIFICANTLY.

No one said skywest was bad. We were just calling you out for saying that they are better than everyone else.

NVUS 06-18-2014 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1667066)
I don't know if you ever took a statistics class in college but I have a question for your logic. If 90% of your operations are to the East Coast/ and it is delayed 60% of the time due to weather, how would that compare to having 60% of your operations at airports that have delays 20% of the time or less? Do you think it would affect system-wide averages?

What if your airline does 150 daily departures out of DEN where its snows 9 months of the year and has tornadoes and nightly TS/Windshear/Microbusts every evening the other three months?

Or what if you added another 125 daily departures out of SFO, home of the daily GDP and with half their runways shutdown right now?

That's 550 round trip flights a day right there, how many does Compass do total?

Let's add another 122 daily departures out of ORD into the mix just for fun. Now we are at, what? 800 daily flights affected by SFO/DEN/ORD. Again, you're not the only turd in the punchbowl.

pagey 06-18-2014 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1667088)
What if your airline does 150 daily departures out of DEN where its snows 9 months of the year and has tornadoes and nightly TS/Windshear/Microbusts every evening the other three months?

Or what if you added another 125 daily departures out of SFO, home of the daily GDP and with half their runways shutdown right now?

That's 550 round trip flights a day right there, how many does Compass do total?

Let's add another 122 daily departures out of ORD into the mix just for fun. Now we are at, what? 800 daily flights affected by SFO/DEN/ORD. Again, you're not the only turd in the punchbowl.

What is your system wide D+0 and A:14?

NVUS 06-18-2014 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by pagey (Post 1667090)
What is your system wide D+0 and A:14?

I believe the only definitive numbers I can give you are for June MTD, D:0 - 65.6% and A:14 - 78.1%

And obviously DL runs a much better show than UA, I dont think anyone would argue that.

http://s12.postimg.org/t5xomauv1/Untitled.png

pagey 06-18-2014 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1667100)
I believe the only definitive numbers I can give you are for June MTD, D:0 - 65.6% and A:14 - 78.1%

Which puts you square in the middle of the pack...

Everyone's original point was that the posted chart was useless.

Right Slats????

FaceBiter 06-18-2014 10:25 AM

NVUS chill broseph. Did you get into the Pepsi out at SGU today?

Pilotguy143 06-18-2014 06:04 PM

Any good rumors from the training dept?

bcpilot 06-19-2014 04:03 AM


Originally Posted by Pilotguy143 (Post 1667479)
Any good rumors from the training dept?

There were a few, don't know how good they are..

Still no Chief pilot, few interviewed but no final selection yet.

They are still working for the full EFB, the tablets will be replaced with something new "soon"...

When that happens, LIDO charts may replace Jeppesen charts...

Don't know if any of this new or same old news freshly recycled...

Why is the COO & a few others from the mgmt in Germany at the same time ???
Is that a coincidence or is there something cooking???

CBreezy 06-19-2014 04:05 AM


Originally Posted by bcpilot (Post 1667622)
There were a few, don't know how good they are..

Still no Chief pilot, few interviewed but no final selection yet.

They are still working for the full EFB, the tablets will be replaced with something new "soon"...

When that happens, LIDO charts may replace Jeppesen charts...

Don't know if any of this new or same old news freshly recycled...

Why is the COO & a few others from the mgmt in Germany at the same time ???
Is that a coincidence or is there something cooking???

GoJet Airlines dba Lufthansa Connection

RgrMurdock 06-19-2014 04:40 AM

Lufthansa systems suite of airline products is going to be used at all three airlines starting next year.

Pilotguy143 06-19-2014 05:54 AM


Originally Posted by RgrMurdock (Post 1667635)
Lufthansa systems suite of airline products is going to be used at all three airlines starting next year.

I have heard that as well. Supposedly, all three airlines will be using the same scheduling, bidding and EFB systems.

Btw, I hope things are going well at TSA. I have heard your upgrade times are way down and people are generally happy over there. Good news all around.

Pilotguy143 06-19-2014 05:56 AM

As for rumors i have heard:

I know we are trying exceptionally hard to get the envoy -700 flying. Whether we get said flying, or can staff that flying, remains to be seen.

TallFlyer 06-19-2014 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by Pilotguy143 (Post 1667685)
As for rumors i have heard:

I know we are trying exceptionally hard to get the envoy -700 flying. Whether we get said flying, or can staff that flying, remains to be seen.

Careful, some Envoy guy may burn you in effigy for saying such things.

Should that shift occur, I predict at least half of the staffing would come from junior Envoy guys. For all the chest thumping the Envoy crowd likes to do on here, a lot of guys will go where the airplanes are.

Don't believe me? Count how many Comair guys are on property and get back to me.

CBreezy 06-19-2014 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by TallFlyer (Post 1667756)
Careful, some Envoy guy may burn you in effigy for saying such things.

Should that shift occur, I predict at least half of the staffing would come from junior Envoy guys. For all the chest thumping the Envoy crowd likes to do on here, a lot of guys will go where the airplanes are.

Don't believe me? Count how many Comair guys are on property and get back to me.

Classy.

The Comair guys didn't voluntarily leave to chase airplanes for peanuts. Their airline no longer exists.

air101 06-19-2014 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by Pilotguy143 (Post 1667685)
As for rumors i have heard:

I know we are trying exceptionally hard to get the envoy -700 flying. Whether we get said flying, or can staff that flying, remains to be seen.

Might want to try a little harder to keep the flying you guys already have... performance is terrible.

In all seriousness, AA uses the CR7 to go into ASE as its currently the only certified aircraft besides the Q400. Their are only 3 airlines certified for ASE... SkyWest, Mesa, and Republic. Only two of those currently operate the 700. Only one of those two are certified for ASE. That's not to speculate about who if anyone gets them, just something to chew on. I'd prefer they remain at the 'real' Eagle.

TallFlyer 06-19-2014 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1667767)
Classy.

The Comair guys didn't voluntarily leave to chase airplanes for peanuts. Their airline no longer exists.

G7 started flying airplanes with Delta paint in January '12. Delta announced the Comair shutdown 6 months later. How many Comair guys applied at G7 following the Oct '11 announcement of G7 getting the flying?

ZBowFlyz 06-19-2014 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by air101 (Post 1667778)
Might want to try a little harder to keep the flying you guys already have... performance is terrible.

In all seriousness, AA uses the CR7 to go into ASE as its currently the only certified aircraft besides the Q400. Their are only 3 airlines certified for ASE... SkyWest, Mesa, and Republic. Only two of those currently operate the 700. Only one of those two are certified for ASE. That's not to speculate about who if anyone gets them, just something to chew on. I'd prefer they remain at the 'real' Eagle.

Oh yeah because the pilots of G7 are 100% at fault for that. It has nothing to do with LGA, JFK, ORD, Contract negations, inept schedulers vs 117...ect.

Your ASE argument is funny. Grasp at more crumbs dude.


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