You could argue that Republic, Lakes and PSA are worse, or at least equal on the (crappy) contract stuff. Mesa isn't too far behind them. Not to defend GoJet, and not having a dog in the fight, I thought it was worth noting.

Further, Eagle, Horizon and SkyWest are basically stagnant seniority wise. A few are looking at a net loss of Aircraft. While it's no contest that these are "better" companies for QOL, for someone balancing upgrade time as a factor heck, lakes beats the "good" companies.

The point is, everyone's definition of "Better" is different and subjective. It depends on your personal situation and what factors you hold important. Understand that when you say, "So and so is a horrible place to work" that it is based on your personal perspective. The guy next to you might be in a different situation and it is a great place for him/her to work.

It could also be argued that Whiskey, ExpressJet and TSA all are facing some future challenges as their fleets are facing the end of contract periods and they are basically all the type of aircraft that mainline is threatening to park. While this won't happen overnight, in the process of determining stability (in case you get stuck) it must be considered.

What I am saying is that good vs. bad is a function of a persons personal situation (family, where you live etc.) and what they hold as important company specific factors (upgrade, pay, type, contract etc) Basically, these considerations void the- "It's a crappy pace to work" argument. And since they didn't just take concessions you could say they are better than some.

Don't forget that not every company is calling whoever turns in an app. Based on my experience thus far I would say that there isn't much of a shortage. Perhaps there will be, but not today?

As an outsider that is considering getting back into 121 based on the factors I listed above, GoJet appears to be a decent option. While I don't dispute that it has it's draw backs, it also has it's perks. Just like every other regional out there. It is just another regional and every person needs to weigh the good and bad and make their own decision. Remember that the weighing of good vs. bad is not the same for each person.

As far as this reputation thing goes, I would agree that there is a legitimate complaint as to their history. Also, there is a legitimate complaint against the original pilot group. But now? It's a pretty ridiculous argument.

I understand that just like voting for Obama, "it's cool" to hate GoJet. But when a person actually applies critical thinking skills when they decide what "good" is for them, their perspective might change.;)

The company culture is what I dislike. Many ex comair guys will tell you my quality of life is better at Gojets and others will say negative things. If it works for you go for it. I think if you have never been exposed to how Hulas runs companies you will be surprised.

You bring up very valid points. If you end up taking the job please report back after 9 months. I am interest to see if you still have the same point of view. Have fun flying where ever you end up.

At the end of the day, like anything else you need to shop around and find the best deal. If you live in St Louis and have friends at the company you might want to GO! there.

If not, there are many companies hiring right now that offer cancelation pay, have duty rigs, have a min day credit, offer block or better regardless of the completion factor, pay more than $1.60 per diem, offer more than a 1% 401k match, and of course the most important thing of all, have engines under the wings!

You do realize that Compass is under the same ownership as GoJet, right? Not saying they are the same as far as QOL or culture, but they are both under Trans States Holdings...

It's nice to see a non-Koolaid responses like this every so often. Gives me hope.

Yes I do realize that, thank you.

Stella Artois owns Budweiser too. I know which one I'd rather drink.

Fair enough but don't fault the guy who's thirsty for a beer and grabs a bud because it's the only has beer he has in the fridge. Maybe later he goes out and buys the good stuff :)

When I was a poor F.O. back in the day, I used to drink Bud Ice :(

I once wondered why Miller High Life was so cheap so I bought some and learned the hard way!

There should be a "year 1 F.O." section in the beer isle at the supermarket.

Indeed there should ;)

it doesn't matter what pilot group is now working there, Gojet is still one of the original if not the first airline to start the race to the bottom everyone is currently experiencing

well said . .

And to think the entire time I thought the race to the bottom started with offering 250 hour pilots who would work for peanuts an FO position on that Super Shiny Jet. I had never considered that it was all GoJet's fault.

The things you learn here!

Wasn't it was started the first time that a larger airline paid for a smaller airline to fly routes/planes/people for them (outsourcing)?

Yes most certainly. That and GoJet and ONLY GoJet have destroyed this industry.

Mother of god.........

Bringing it back to topic, is it confirmed that there is no March class or it was just a rumor?

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Sorry to the guys that have PMed me. The app crashes every time I hit reply. Any idea on a fix?

It's confirmed.

Use the web? ;)

It is being billed as a confluence of instructor movement, catching up with training, and anticipated summer flying....at least to our current class.

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We lost a few instructors to PSA. Comair guys that were offered positions back in CVG. I also hear that one of the two STL sims is about to go down for a "heavy" check. Who knows.

That's not a fix. That's a patch. You work in mx? Ha!!! Next time I am around a computer with the internets I will answer you guys.

I was told not enough attrition.

Nope, not in mx. For what it's worth I use the APC app a lot and it def has glitches, but Tapatalk would be a lot better option. Too bad APC doesn't support it.

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I'm familiar with the United Benefits, but if you're single can you have an "enrolled friend" or equivalent on the Delta benefits?

I didn't say gojet was the ONLY, I said they were 'one of' if not the first. Great mistakes, Gulfstream intnl...etc. were always the bottom feeders of the regionals (probably weren't that much of a threat to the larger, jet regionals though), but gojet was one of if not the first regionals (flying rj's) that showed managements that pilot groups were willing to stab each other in the back for their own benefit. And, they learned to use that against us. Where do you think managements got the idea that dangling new planes and quick upgrades in front of pilots in exchange for less would actually work? I'm not a regional airline history expert, but I don't know of any other companies where this happened (around the same time) before gojet did it, do you?

Does anyone know when the "rate reset" started to appear in regionals' contracts with majors? I suspect it was around the time of gojet's creation

And this is what I was questioning.
GoJet certainly wasn't one of the first regional jet operators around was it? As soon as the big partners decided to outsource their flying, I'll bet that multiple airlines came in with ever decreasing cost structures to win the contracts. But I'm no airline industry historian. I'm sure someone will be along to regale us with at least one version of history sure to answer all questions. :) Hey - isn't there a book out there called 'Flying the Line I/II' that probably lays this all out?

Flying the Line: The First Half Century of the Air Line Pilots Association: George E. Hopkins: 9780960970810: Amazon.com: Books

Flying the Line, Vol. 2: The Line Pilot in Crisis: ALPA Battles Airline Deregulation and Other Forces: George E. Hopkins: 9780960970834: Amazon.com: Books
Only $4 used! BARGIN!

Got a free one when I joined eagle lol

89 days?
 

Are they keeping to the 89 day plan for your class?

I hope the Union negotiators keep in mind the rumored gains of the RAH TA that's supposedly just been released. Someone posted some bullet points on an other forum.

Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe so. You can have a domestic partner, but there are all kinds of hoops to jump through. You will have S3C priority on all metal except your own, which you will have S3 but DL mainline can still bump you as it goes by seniority. Parents also pay what is called a yield fare, so they don't travel free.

The only ones I know of that have decent DL benefits is SKW. They can have a enrolled friend, buddy passes, S2 travel, and they bump DL mainline on their own metal. Parents also fly for free.

LOL. The NSP does not require "heavy checks" on FFS devices. Nice try however.

I thought it sounded a little strange.

So whipsaw began in 2005? I learn something new everyday.

like i said, i'm not a regional airline historian. But I don't know of another time in recent history where another regional airline or the regional industry was undercut as badly as the Gojet situation. UNTIL the recent PSA sellout of the entire industry. Why do you think most of the heat and attention is no longer focused on gojet? Because PSA just took their place as the red headed step child

What would you call the formation of compass? The flow that the 2010 and prior pilots have wasn't free.

i don't know much about how compass was created, but to my knowledge they weren't created out of spite to undercut one pilot group. They seem to have had a decent contract, then just got a better one, and I don't think most people would have ever considered them a bottom feeder

Compass was created to prevent NW guys from being furloughed. There was a flow down/up agreement until they were sold. Bringing up Compass in a discussion on GoJet is as ridiculous as it gets.

Are you sure about that?

You don't know much about anything.