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Pilotguy143 02-16-2014 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by spaaks (Post 1582417)
like i said, i'm not a regional airline historian. But I don't know of another time in recent history where another regional airline or the regional industry was undercut as badly as the Gojet situation. UNTIL the recent PSA sellout of the entire industry. Why do you think most of the heat and attention is no longer focused on gojet? Because PSA just took their place as the red headed step child

You come on the Gojet updates thread and say we started the race to the bottom, then plead ignorance when challenged?

If your going to waste your day taunting G7 guys, it's best not to make yourself (and your respective pilot group) seem ignorant.

8hourrule 02-17-2014 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by Pilotguy143 (Post 1582912)
Quote:





Originally Posted by spaaks


like i said, i'm not a regional airline historian. But I don't know of another time in recent history where another regional airline or the regional industry was undercut as badly as the Gojet situation. UNTIL the recent PSA sellout of the entire industry. Why do you think most of the heat and attention is no longer focused on gojet? Because PSA just took their place as the red headed step child




You come on the Gojet updates thread and say we started the race to the bottom, then plead ignorance when challenged?

If your going to waste your day taunting G7 guys, it's best not to make yourself (and your respective pilot group) seem ignorant.

Crickets. Guess he went back to studying for his private.

TallFlyer 02-17-2014 07:32 AM

GoJet updates
 
Interesting. Just got an email offering a slot in a March class should one become available. I guess there is a Mar class after all.

flyingmau5 02-17-2014 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by TallFlyer (Post 1583476)
Interesting. Just got an email offering a slot in a March class should one become available. I guess there is a Mar class after all.

How can a canceled class be full already?

spaaks 02-17-2014 09:31 AM

someone challenged what i said by saying, "well what about compass?" Clearly they and you are misinformed if you think compass is similar to gojet. My point still stands, you haven't named another regional airline in recent history that did to the industry what gojet did. Like I said, people aren't picking on gojet as much because PSA is the most recent to do worse. Stop trying to justify to yourself why you went to a backstabbing regional. It's the same crap the PSA guys are saying to deny and/or justify why it's ok they sold out the entire industry

Paid2fly 02-17-2014 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by spaaks (Post 1583571)
someone challenged what i said by saying, "well what about compass?" Clearly they and you are misinformed if you think compass is similar to gojet. My point still stands, you haven't named another regional airline in recent history that did to the industry what gojet did. Like I said, people aren't picking on gojet as much because PSA is the most recent to do worse. Stop trying to justify to yourself why you went to a backstabbing regional. It's the same crap the PSA guys are saying to deny and/or justify why it's ok they sold out the entire industry





Well said!

bernouli 02-17-2014 09:45 AM

All regionals are guilty of under cutting. Every. Single. One.

TallFlyer 02-17-2014 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by flyingmau5 (Post 1583532)
How can a canceled class be full already?

Going back and looking at the emails it looks like they could've been referring to my class date being pushed back, rather than the class as a whole.

TallFlyer 02-17-2014 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by bernouli (Post 1583586)
All regionals are guilty of under cutting. Every. Single. One.

Absolutely. Go ask an Aloha guy what he thinks of Mesa. Go compare what a Delta crew makes flying 110 seats in a 717 to an RAH crew flying a 190. Compare Horizon 700 rates to SkyWest. Compare what a CommutAir Q300 crew flying 50 people makes vs any other regional flying 50 seat equipment, then compare CommutAir Q200 rates to what Horizon pilots got paid flying the same exact metal.

The real issue in this dysfunctional sandbox called the regionals is how they ever got so large in the first place and why are so many 60+ airplanes are flying "regional" routes that span several time zones.

If the regional pilot population as a whole wants to bring their little wiener waving contest into their enevitable mainline careers the only thing you'll accomplish is inflicting the continued existence of the regionals and their low wages into pilots entering the profession beyond us.

For those that want to get their panties in a wad about the whole GoJet / TSA imbroglio, especially if you never even worked there, consider this: I was in a G7 jumpseat the other day, the Captain had about 6 years with the company, and commutes weekly on TSA.

Move on, get over yourself, network, network, network, get yourself a major airline gig, and when you do, make sure your elected reps know that the continued existence of scope that allows that much flying at the "regional" level needs to be reigned in.

MrMustache 02-17-2014 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by TallFlyer (Post 1583605)
Absolutely. Go ask an Aloha guy what he thinks of Mesa. Go compare what a Delta crew makes flying 110 seats in a 717 to an RAH crew flying a 190. Compare Horizon 700 rates to SkyWest. Compare what a CommutAir Q300 crew flying 50 people makes vs any other regional flying 50 seat equipment, then compare CommutAir Q200 rates to what Horizon pilots got paid flying the same exact metal.

The real issue in this dysfunctional sandbox called the regionals is how they ever got so large in the first place and why are so many 60+ airplanes are flying "regional" routes that span several time zones.

If the regional pilot population as a whole wants to bring their little wiener waving contest into their enevitable mainline careers the only thing you'll accomplish is inflicting the continued existence of the regionals and their low wages into pilots entering the profession beyond us.

For those that want to get their panties in a wad about the whole GoJet / TSA imbroglio, especially if you never even worked there, consider this: I was in a G7 jumpseat the other day, the Captain had about 6 years with the company, and commutes weekly on TSA.

Move on, get over yourself, network, network, network, get yourself a major airline gig, and when you do, make sure your elected reps know that the continued existence of scope that allows that much flying at the "regional" level needs to be reigned in.

You're funny. Why you leaving Commutair?

Dejavu 02-17-2014 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by bernouli (Post 1583586)
All regionals are guilty of under cutting. Every. Single. One.


Exactly no point crying over spilt milk . Who cares , fact is any pilot willing to work for a regional was only hurting the majors . Oh wait we come here to get time to go to the majors ? No ? Or are people just happy to be flying RJs for the rest of the time being . It doesn't freaking matter anymore . It's 2014 Ride or Die ! Grow up .

Moonwolf 02-17-2014 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by bernouli (Post 1583586)
All regionals are guilty of under cutting. Every. Single. One.

By under cutting you mean lowering work rules to become a cheaper rfp for our mainline partners?

TallFlyer 02-26-2014 09:15 AM

There's definitely a Mar 3 class; I was offered a spot in it but had to decline as I couldn't give my current employer enough notice.

Moonwolf 02-26-2014 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by Moonwolf (Post 1583660)
By under cutting you mean lowering work rules to become a cheaper rfp for our mainline partners?

Bernoulli you never answered.

sevenforseven 02-26-2014 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by TallFlyer (Post 1590334)
There's definitely a Mar 3 class; I was offered a spot in it but had to decline as I couldn't give my current employer enough notice.

Is GoJet slowing their hiring?

Dejavu 02-26-2014 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by sevenforseven (Post 1590359)
Is GoJet slowing their hiring?

Hope not cause we starting to see the shortage lol

8hourrule 02-26-2014 06:13 PM

GoJet updates
 
Staffing is critical to say the least. Captain on captain everyday in STL.

bernouli 02-26-2014 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by Moonwolf (Post 1590344)
Bernoulli you never answered.

that's exactly what I mean.

they've all undercut somebody - starting with the legacy carriers after the birth of the RJ.

bernouli 02-26-2014 07:05 PM

how's everybody's schedule after 117?

Dejavu 02-26-2014 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by bernouli (Post 1590893)
how's everybody's schedule after 117?


11 days off 76hrs 5 pairing all 5 include 1 30plus hr overnight

Sitting at 96 credit per the 5 long overnights , but tons of open time

Up to 125 hrs credit now 96 block :D

pnwchief22 03-05-2014 08:17 PM

One year anniversary for the thread....Congrats to the O P

paxhauler85 03-06-2014 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by Dejavu (Post 1590940)
11 days off 76hrs 5 pairing all 5 include 1 30plus hr overnight

Sitting at 96 credit per the 5 long overnights , but tons of open time

Up to 125 hrs credit now 96 block :D

Is the credit for the 30+ hour overnights built into the pairings (in the bid packs) or just paid out?

Our union guys are telling us that the people in St. Louis are having heartburn about this, even though they agreed to it.

bernouli 03-09-2014 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by paxhauler85 (Post 1596386)
Is the credit for the 30+ hour overnights built into the pairings (in the bid packs) or just paid out?

Our union guys are telling us that the people in St. Louis are having heartburn about this, even though they agreed to it.

Just paid out. And you usually have to fill out a pay discrepancy.

Anybody have any info on contract negotiations?

Speed Breaker 03-09-2014 10:35 AM

Does anybody know if there actually is a new hire class starting this month? Any word on upgrades either? It seems to be super quiet around there as of late.

TallFlyer 03-09-2014 11:27 AM

Class of ? in Feb.
Class of 8 in Mar.
Class of ? in Apr.

Next class in Aug.

pnwchief22 03-11-2014 03:35 AM

On-Going
 

Originally Posted by Speed Breaker (Post 1598710)
Does anybody know if there actually is a new hire class starting this month? Any word on upgrades either? It seems to be super quiet around there as of late.

February and March new hires are in classes now.

Moonwolf 03-11-2014 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by bernouli (Post 1598700)
Anybody have any info on contract negotiations?

Haha good luck with that one!

bernouli 03-11-2014 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by Moonwolf (Post 1599914)
Haha good luck with that one!

Thank you, Madame.

I'm confident it won't be concessionary. The contract language before was incredibly weak. There's no where to go but up.

Moonwolf 03-11-2014 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by bernouli (Post 1600079)
Thank you, Madame.

I'm confident it won't be concessionary. The contract language before was incredibly weak. There's no where to go but up.

At least you are optimistic I'll give you that.

Cyborgmudhen 03-12-2014 05:31 AM


Originally Posted by TallFlyer (Post 1598749)
Class of ? in Feb.
Class of 8 in Mar.
Class of ? in Apr.

Next class in Aug.

Class of 8 in March is currently at 6
Feb class is still 10, going into orals/sims

CargoPirate 03-13-2014 10:36 AM

Any chance GoJet will be hiring Street Captains this year?

8hourrule 03-13-2014 04:56 PM

GoJet updates
 
I would say no. Don't even think I will upgrade this year and I was hired over a year ago.

New Guy 007 03-14-2014 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by TallFlyer (Post 1598749)
Class of ? in Feb.
Class of 8 in Mar.
Class of ? in Apr.

Next class in Aug.

Hey TallFlyer, just wondering, do you happened to know how many new hires they were expecting in both the feb. and march classes? 8 does not sound like a whole lot of folks. Also, why no classes until aug?

RgrMurdock 03-14-2014 10:45 AM

When an airline doesn't hire it's because there's no growth and no one is moving on.

TallFlyer 03-14-2014 11:21 AM

GoJet updates
 
I was told by a recruiter that their attrition has not as high as expected.

Slats 03-14-2014 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by TallFlyer (Post 1602175)
I was told by a recruiter that their attrition has not as high as expected.

Was this the same recruiter who sold ya on a quick upgrade? Hahahaha

AVIATORCFI 03-14-2014 12:54 PM

[QUOTE=Slats;1602232]Was this the same recruiter who sold ya on a quick upgrade? Hahahaha[/QUOTE

Slats,
You are at Skywest. Would you be so kind to tell me about the upgrade at Skywest?

MrMustache 03-14-2014 12:59 PM

[QUOTE=AVIATORCFI;1602244]

Originally Posted by Slats (Post 1602232)
Was this the same recruiter who sold ya on a quick upgrade? Hahahaha[/QUOTE

Slats,
You are at Skywest. Would you be so kind to tell me about the upgrade at Skywest?

I'm not a Slats fan but he/she didn't go there for the quick upgrade, unlike Tallflyer @ GJ.

AVIATORCFI 03-14-2014 01:21 PM

[QUOTE=MrMustache;1602246]

Originally Posted by AVIATORCFI (Post 1602244)

I'm not a Slats fan but he/she didn't go there for the quick upgrade, unlike Tallflyer @ GJ.

People have all kinds of reasons to work for a different regionals, but being happy about someone's misfortune is just plain ignorant. Today Skywest's pilots have a better work rules but it does not mean they will have them tomorrow.

TallFlyer 03-14-2014 01:25 PM

First, at this moment I'm not at G7. Second, upgrade time is not the only variable in my decision matrix. It's not even the most important. Lastly, Slats just likes to follow me around and ridicule my supposed indecisiveness. It's Ok, I'm really not worried too much about it.


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