What are the upgrade mins?

4500 tt. 1000 me

Just to verify, that's TSA, not GoJet?

Sorry. Gojet. Didn't realize u were asking about TSA.

4500 tt. 1000 jet

A buddy just called me and told me about a rumor of a new hire class next week. Has anyone in the pool heard anything?

I'm in the pool. Or at least was and was never informed that I wasn't any longer. Haven't heard a peep.

Class to start at end of June , July and aug .

Sim time was purchased for 10 NH in June and 10 NH in July, however it can be returned as there has been no formal decision to extend job offers yet.

Also in the pool, also haven't heard anything. Anyone want to hazard a guess on upgrade time for newhires with the upgrade mins? Have to do some hard thinking if they call...

i would not count on it being quick. The upgrade list is long and getting longer everyday.

Not at TSA! Also, no stigma of being a d-bag there!

Last I hear, TSA was around a year and a half. Still accurate? Also, are the numbers on APC accurate??? Thanks.

TSA is 3 months-ish now if you have the time. Most Jr captain for the june class would have been a 2012 hire.

Look who's talking .

No no no .... No You eat the pooh you dirty blowjetter you ! Don't you dare try and blame "Jesus" for being unwanted. ;-)

Rumor has it you're losing a lot of flying next quarter.

So you don't work there then?

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It's garbage contracts like the one TSA operated, and continues to operate, under for years that put some of us in the unique position to be working at "D-Bag" airlines.

I think they tried to improve on that and something happened.. Instead of allowing the tsa pilots time to negotiate a group of self-minded pilots decided to accept jobs which circumvented the collective bargaining process by forming a new airline to cheaply operate flying that was being negotiated at tsa.

But yea TSA why u guys always keepin the industry down?

No one put a gun to your head and forced you to work for any "d-bag" airline. That was your choice and yours alone. And don't start with that I-needed-to-feed-my-family bullspit either, 'cause we ain't buyin' it.

What contract are you calling garbage? Our current contract is industry average or better in most areas.

I've heard we might be getting more aircraft on the UAL side.

Just a rumor of course.

Careful, a GoJet DB might start
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Unfortunatly, many of us G7 guys are former OH guys. We (myself at least) feel like we were let down by the other regionals who wouldnt hold the line and defend Comair flying. Now, these same people critizie us for doing what is best for our family.

It simply stings a little.... That's all.

Hey what happened to Comair sucked, no doubt... However, going to GoJet was your choice... Now that upgrades have stopped and classes on hold that decision doesn't look so hot. We have former OH'ers here at OO, there's some at Express Jet, Air Whiskey, Corporate, Compass, RAH ect.... Going to GJ is a poor choice.

Again, this is just my .02 and isn't worth the TP I wipe my arse with.

There's plenty of OH guys here at TSA as well. Don't forget, TSA is one of the few other regionals who tried to hold the line. G7 is the result of that. So, yeah, it stings a little to be told we're somehow the "bad guys" for trying to hold the line. (unfortunately, it worked about as well for us as it did for you guys)

G7 was created as a result of your union trying to play hardball with the company without protection. When TSA offered their pilots the 700 flying, the union didnt think the payrates were fair (valid point), but the union never had the required leverage to counter-offer, because yall's scope allowed the creation of an alter ego. Hulas is a weasel. Weasels do this kind of BS.

There wasnt going to be any negotiation involved anyways, and Hulas knew this.

TSA created G7 because the scope in TSA's pilot contract allowed it. As simple as that.

With that said, I would probably have beef with any pilots that jumped ship at that precise moment. But I sure as hell wouldnt point a finger to a comair guy for making a decision that he thought was best for him. Hell, I never heard any other regional pilot group offering money from their monthly paycheck to pay for those Comair pilot's bills and mortgage.

TBucket, honest question here: I know all this G7 stuff happened before you where even hired, but do you know if any pilot actually jumped ship from TSA to G7 when it was started? No sarcasm here, honest question...

What? No picture?

Yes, there was a good sized group that jumped over as a seniority grab when they started it up. While I won't name names on an internet forum, they're rather well known.

Personally, I have much less of an issue with a comair guy going over there now than I do with the original bunch or the SJS kiddies chasing the "quick upgrade".

Regardless of what the TSA union did or didn't do correctly at the time G7 was formed, had we pilots (in general) had enough solidarity to NOT GO WORK THERE, they would have had no choice but to negotiate a fair contract. The people who took jobs there and prevented that from happening are the ones I have issue with.

Dare I say it, But I think we agree on a very basic point. No one will stand up for anything in the Regional Airline Space. It's a shame to be sure-- but it's the way it is on a basic level

No, it didn't. Hulas, being the clever weasel that he is, created a holdings company (a la Trans States Holdings) and then created GoJet.

And yeah, there were a number of TSA pilots that abandoned their brothers in order to get a super senior number at GoJet.

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Precisely, that's one of the many loopholes that TSA's pilot contract's scope didnt have well covered to protect them against whipsawing/alter-ego airlines.

And I suppose that makes GoJet's creation legitimate?

It couldn't have been done without the cooperation of other pilots who only cared about bypassing more senior/experienced pilots to better themselves instead of trying to help the regional situation as a whole. The flying still would have been there, lots of hiring and upgrades (just at TSA instead of another lowball regional)...but maybe the pay would now be better for those 70 seaters. My father used to tell me how it was a brother/sisterhood of pilots but I guess that's with military where you had to protect each others' a$$! Now I suppose with regionals it's all about me...

I think it's the same at majors too .

I'm sure it's that way in any industry anymore, sad though.

My buddies dad retired from AA in the early 90's after 34 yos. It interesting to hear him talk about the golden days of the airlines. When all pilots made the same amount of money regardless of who they flew for. When it was a privilege to fly rather than a right and people didn't wear their pajamas on airplanes. We talked about deregulation and he almost went silent. The only thing he told me was that the "brotherhood" ended that year. It was no longer about the group rather holding on to what each individual had. He is now a consultant and has yet to see any pilot group sacrifice for the greater good be it major, cargo, or regional. The free market and competition has killed the profession in his eyes. I don't know, just food for thought. I recommend talking to the old guys about what it used to be like. Very enlightening.

Just don't have that talk with a loaded gun anywhere near your open mouth.

Well it's 2013 times have changed a lot . Hopefully things turn around with the so called pilot shortage lol